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Youtube surely does get a lot of DMCAs, but the vast, vast majority of copyright disputes are handled with a system meant to preclude DMCAs. Secondly, do you h

Youtube surely does get a lot of DMCAs, but the vast, vast majority of copyright disputes are handled with a system meant to preclude DMCAs. Secondly, do you have any evidence that DMCA claims are a ranking factor? Google search actually goes out of its way to point to sources showing takedowns, implying they do not agree with them. Thirdly, Youtube has millions of incoming links. It's going to do pretty darn well in ranking no matter what.

dhimes 8y ago
Google's mobile support was horrific when they started penalizing other sites for a bad mobile experience.
- SquareWheel 8y ago
  Desktop and mobile searches are indexed separately, so they could hold high desktop rank even if mobile faltered. Though I'm not sure which service you're referring to specifically. In most cases I would still expect inbound links to be very high, offsetting any mobile penalty.
ubernostrum 8y ago
YouTube gets special promotion in Google SERPs, because it's a Google property. So it gets to live way up top. And yes, Google has admitted that DMCA notices received for results to your site is something they'll factor in to rankings for non-Google properties: https://searchengineland.com/dmca-requests-now-used-in-googles-ranking-algorithm-130118 https://searchengineland.com/dmca-requests-now-used-in-googl...
- SquareWheel 8y ago
  I've never heard of that signal before, but it is interesting. I'm guessing it's designed to reduce the visibility of pirate stream websites. However, "YouTube gets special promotion in Google SERPs" is still an unfounded claim. There are hundreds of signals. Failing at one does not prove collusion.
  - ubernostrum 8y ago
    Google properties, and certain special programs like new sites that use AMP, get preferred placement at the very top of the results page. This is not some sort of weird way-out-there conspiracy theory. You can test it yourself by going to Google, typing in something likely to have a video result, and observing how Google showcases a YouTube result at the top. Here's what I see, in a private/incognito tab, searching for the name of a recent popular music song and the artist, for example: https://i.imgur.com/iBSUBOV.jpg https://i.imgur.com/iBSUBOV.jpg Literally everything in that box is a link to a Google property, or to further Google searches that will promote Google properties. Below the fold (it's a large box) is a carousel of news stories about the topic, promoting Google News as a news aggregator. The actual search results don't start until below that.
    - SquareWheel 8y ago
      You're talking about verticals here, but it sounded like you were accusing them of manipulating organic results. That's what I was skeptical of. It's worth mentioning though that vertical videos will pull from other sources as well. Here is an example of a vertical video result pulling from Vimeo. https://i.imgur.com/9q7HavK.png https://i.imgur.com/9q7HavK.png It's not specially hardcoded for Youtube. Youtube is just extremely popular in comparison to other video sites - especially for music queries like yours above. Re: News, Google News is their index and engine for news results but those are still links to non-Google sites.

dhimes 8y ago

Google's mobile support was horrific when they started penalizing other sites for a bad mobile experience.

SquareWheel 8y ago
Desktop and mobile searches are indexed separately, so they could hold high desktop rank even if mobile faltered. Though I'm not sure which service you're referring to specifically. In most cases I would still expect inbound links to be very high, offsetting any mobile penalty.

ubernostrum 8y ago

YouTube gets special promotion in Google SERPs, because it's a Google property. So it gets to live way up top. And yes, Google has admitted that DMCA notices received for results to your site is something they'll factor in to rankings for non-Google properties: https://searchengineland.com/dmca-requests-now-used-in-googles-ranking-algorithm-130118 https://searchengineland.com/dmca-requests-now-used-in-googl...

SquareWheel 8y ago
I've never heard of that signal before, but it is interesting. I'm guessing it's designed to reduce the visibility of pirate stream websites. However, "YouTube gets special promotion in Google SERPs" is still an unfounded claim. There are hundreds of signals. Failing at one does not prove collusion.
- ubernostrum 8y ago
  Google properties, and certain special programs like new sites that use AMP, get preferred placement at the very top of the results page. This is not some sort of weird way-out-there conspiracy theory. You can test it yourself by going to Google, typing in something likely to have a video result, and observing how Google showcases a YouTube result at the top. Here's what I see, in a private/incognito tab, searching for the name of a recent popular music song and the artist, for example: https://i.imgur.com/iBSUBOV.jpg https://i.imgur.com/iBSUBOV.jpg Literally everything in that box is a link to a Google property, or to further Google searches that will promote Google properties. Below the fold (it's a large box) is a carousel of news stories about the topic, promoting Google News as a news aggregator. The actual search results don't start until below that.
  - SquareWheel 8y ago
    You're talking about verticals here, but it sounded like you were accusing them of manipulating organic results. That's what I was skeptical of. It's worth mentioning though that vertical videos will pull from other sources as well. Here is an example of a vertical video result pulling from Vimeo. https://i.imgur.com/9q7HavK.png https://i.imgur.com/9q7HavK.png It's not specially hardcoded for Youtube. Youtube is just extremely popular in comparison to other video sites - especially for music queries like yours above. Re: News, Google News is their index and engine for news results but those are still links to non-Google sites.