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Make a better society. There are a lot of crime of opportunity but just as much criminality from circumstance. These are smart people doing very bad things, t

Make a better society. There are a lot of crime of opportunity but just as much criminality from circumstance. These are smart people doing very bad things, they need to be identified and put to constructive and rewarding work.

intended 9y ago
Societal change is at a different scale and pace as other changes. Not saying the idea isn't correct - just that theres a lot left to figure out in the details. People cant get to gym or eat healthy even if it has massive differences to their life style.
JulianMorrison 9y ago
Universal Basic Income and decriminalization of drugs and single payer universal healthcare would go a long way towards making the whole criminality arms race dry up and disappear. Desperation, as a constant social background hum, would largely stop.
- stef25 9y ago
  Poverty, social misery and drug addiction no doubt leads to lots of petty crime but hostage takings and illegal immigration is not going to get solved with UBI. Decriminalisation of drugs (Portugal) would not negate the need of going after importers and large scale dealers.
  - JulianMorrison 9y ago
    Full drug legalization with standardized safe supply would make importing it as negligible a business as moonshine running. To solve illegal immigration, UBI has to be extended globally - and then the border can simply be taken down.
    - stef25 9y ago
      Lofty ambitions, won't ever happen.
contourtrails 9y ago
That's naive, there will always be people looking to subvert the system because they want to see the world burn.
- musage 9y ago
  As an excuse to not make the world better that's projection.
HillaryBriss 9y ago
> put to constructive and rewarding work i like this idea, but i can not quite see how the US constitution's system of individual rights would allow the government to "put" anyone to work. the most it could do is offer someone a job. and that someone would be free to reject such an offer because it wasn't profitable enough, or because criminal friends and acquaintances might prove to be very threatening to someone if someone were to accept such a job.
- gonzo41 9y ago
  I should clarify, I don't mean putting them to work. Like a punitive or job placement type of thing. These are smart people motivated by risk and reward. And they can plan and think and follow through. They just need easy pathways to jobs and lifestyles that can let them do that.

intended 9y ago

Societal change is at a different scale and pace as other changes. Not saying the idea isn't correct - just that theres a lot left to figure out in the details. People cant get to gym or eat healthy even if it has massive differences to their life style.

JulianMorrison 9y ago

Universal Basic Income and decriminalization of drugs and single payer universal healthcare would go a long way towards making the whole criminality arms race dry up and disappear. Desperation, as a constant social background hum, would largely stop.

stef25 9y ago
Poverty, social misery and drug addiction no doubt leads to lots of petty crime but hostage takings and illegal immigration is not going to get solved with UBI. Decriminalisation of drugs (Portugal) would not negate the need of going after importers and large scale dealers.
- JulianMorrison 9y ago
  Full drug legalization with standardized safe supply would make importing it as negligible a business as moonshine running. To solve illegal immigration, UBI has to be extended globally - and then the border can simply be taken down.
  - stef25 9y ago
    Lofty ambitions, won't ever happen.

contourtrails 9y ago

That's naive, there will always be people looking to subvert the system because they want to see the world burn.

musage 9y ago
As an excuse to not make the world better that's projection.

HillaryBriss 9y ago

> put to constructive and rewarding work i like this idea, but i can not quite see how the US constitution's system of individual rights would allow the government to "put" anyone to work. the most it could do is offer someone a job. and that someone would be free to reject such an offer because it wasn't profitable enough, or because criminal friends and acquaintances might prove to be very threatening to someone if someone were to accept such a job.

gonzo41 9y ago
I should clarify, I don't mean putting them to work. Like a punitive or job placement type of thing. These are smart people motivated by risk and reward. And they can plan and think and follow through. They just need easy pathways to jobs and lifestyles that can let them do that.