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Swedish Academy Won’t Award Nobel Prize in Literature This Year
- mytrile 8y agoBehind paywall, kthxbye
- pavlov 8y agoThat must be disappointing to Republican congressmen who expected Donald Trump to get the award.
- haasted 8y agoWasn't that the peace prize, though?
- majewsky 8y agoIn an alternate reality, Trump gets the Nobel prize in literature for his tweets. EDIT: Thinking about it, that would actually be a really classy and fnord-y move.
- delbel 8y agoHe called a dictator short and fat and it lead to total denuclearization, likely peace and unification between a region in conflict for over 60 years.
- krylon 8y agoI kind of suspect the Korean heads of state decided to make peace before Trump had a chance to mess it up. Still, judged by the outcome, it's kind of impressive. ;-)
- pavlov 8y agoCareful — nothing has yet been done towards denuclearization except a non-committing promise by Kim to halt further tests for now. The regime has made similar promises several times over the past 25 years.
- yk 8y agoWell NK has committed to denuclearization[1], while the US also talk about denuclearization[2]. In general, that is what makes half of foreign policy reporting semi-useless, newspapers rarely report in which sense diplomats use the words. (Compare "fighting terrorist" as claimed by everybody, in general terrorist is just defined by threatening the interests of the speaker.) [1] Likely meaning a mutual, synchronous and long term reduction of nuclear weapons towards a global zero goal. (Like the stated US nuclear policy of the Obama administration.) [2] Meaning a prompt and unilateral abolishment of the NK nuclear program, as in Libya.
- meatbags 8y agoThey didn't have nukes or ICBM's before, so their hand is much stronger.
- briandear 8y agoYet Kim Dae Jung won in 2000 because of similar promises. And Obama won for absolutely nothing. So there is definitely precedent for prizes awarded with minimal lasting results. Knowing the Nobel Committee though, Kim Jung Un is more likely to win.
- pavlov 8y agoI wish the Norwegians would adopt a strict rule against awarding any politicians before they're retired from public service. Obama's prize was pointless and actively damaged the perception of the Peace Prize in the United States. There are so many worthy recipients of the Nobel Peace Prize that are virtually unknown outside their specific non-profit niches — focus on those instead, and use the prize to highlight their work.
- toomanybeersies 8y ago> My good friends, for the second time in our history, an American President has returned from Korea bringing peace with honour. I believe it is peace for our time. We thank you from the bottom of our hearts. Go home and get a nice quiet sleep.
- _pmf_ 8y ago> He called a dictator short and fat He first called him Rocket Man, which was an ingenious way of telling him "OK, you have achieved what you wanted" and praising him in a way. He pulled Kim into the eye of the public in a non-humiliating way (the "short and fat" was a response to Kim calling him senile first).
- IIAOPSW 8y agoIts too good to be true so it probably is.
- sorenjan 8y agoWorld leaders have learned that they need to stroke Trump's ego in public by now, but the peace talks in Korea is probably more due to Xi Jinping than Trump. The Chinese just chose to not do it over Twitter. Remember that Kim Jong Un took a train to Beijing, yet no gloating tweets have been made about how successful the meeting was. The results speak for themselves.
- MichaelGG 8y agoWhy would China want Korea unified? I can't imagine China wants that long NK border holding SK/US agents or tech.
- cabaalis 8y agoI continue to think it's silly when people assume Trump just tweets his thoughts directly with no regard for results. That might have happened in the past during his campaign, but multiple people have handled that account. I can see no way that the people working high-level jobs in the White House would ever continue to do that work without some idea of and input into his thought processes. It's too important, and the people there are too credentialed. I'm inclined to believe that when he writes a tweet that people can't seem to interpret, it's because it's aimed at achieving a specific result with specific people.
- alkonaut 8y agoWhy not both? he has the bestest words and he wrote multiple books.
- swebs 8y agoComments like these are why I'm glad there's a "no politics" rule.
- icebraining 8y agoThere's isn't, though.
- gergles 8y agoClearly, because there's an unabashed, irrelevant circlejerk thread of Trump-bashing on a post about the Literature Nobel prize.
- flexie 8y agoUnlike the Nobel laureates in literature and sciences, the peace prize is not awarded by the Swedish Academy (in Stockholm). It's awarded by the Norwegian Nobel Committee (in Oslo).
- pavlov 8y agoI know. The notion that Republicans would propose Trump as recipient for the Literature Nobel Prize was the joke.
- flexie 8y agoI do think a lot of those tweets are a work of fiction, quite original and influential. And unlike a lot of Nobel worthy literature they are also quite entertaining and reach a wide audience. So it's not entirely impossible that he might one day receive it ;-)
- bertil 8y agoHis best work is already collected in an appropriate format: https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/The_Beautiful_Poetry_of_Donald_Trump.html?id=8ou9DgAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/The_Beautiful_Poetry_...
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- JorgeGT 8y ago> Unlike the Nobel laureates in literature and sciences the peace prize is not awarded by the Swedish Academy (in Stockholm). Note that the Swedish Academy only awards the Literature prize. Nobels in Physics and Chemistry are awarded by the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences, and the Karolinska Institutet awards the Nobel in Physiology or Medicine. Thus, only the Literature prize is impacted by this.
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- _pmf_ 8y ago"The Art of the Deal" is great, but probably not that great.
- pavlov 8y ago"The Art of the Deal" was written by Tony Schwartz. He's said that getting Trump to sit down for interviews for more than five minutes was practically impossible [1]. It's well known that Trump doesn't enjoy reading. It seems unlikely that Trump has read "The Art of the Deal" even though he's credited as a co-author on the cover. [1] https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-...
- staticelf 8y agoPaywall. Altough I am from Sweden and I already know why. Here is a free version: https://www.thelocal.se/20180504/no-nobel-literature-prize-in-2018-swedish-academy https://www.thelocal.se/20180504/no-nobel-literature-prize-i...
- majewsky 8y agoNon-paywalled coverage: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/may/04/nobel-prize-for-literature-2018-cancelled-after-sexual-assault-scandal https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/may/04/nobel-prize-fo...
- fwdpropaganda 8y agoAlternatively, here's a tiny firefox extension that replaces your referrer with "Facebook" whenever you try and access the WSJ or the Financial Times: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/read-ft-wsj/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/read-ft-wsj/
- hultner 8y agoDoes that actually work? If so I suppose it would be quite easy to port to other browsers.
- toyg 8y agoJust tested and it does indeed work. One should probably use private mode in combination, so cookies get reset every time.
- hultner 8y agoNice, I just loaded the extension into chrome manually and it seems to work.
- fwdpropaganda 8y agoYes, probably. Personally, I always use uMatrix and block all cookies by default (except for some specific websites which I manually whitelist). So I have no idea what happens if you use this extension without blocking cookies.
- fwdpropaganda 8y agoThat actually does work. Also works for Chrome. On github: https://github.com/JoaoAparicio/read-ft-wsj/ https://github.com/JoaoAparicio/read-ft-wsj/
- estomagordo 8y agoThey expect to award two recipients in 2019.
- etiam 8y agoFools! Failing to fulfill their most important duty because one member brought a lecherous boor to some of their events and may not have been impartial in the vote on some awards. Now it's really a scandal.
- robert_foss 8y agoAt this point the number of Academy members that have resigned has has left the Academy with fewer members than what is required to make an Nobel prize decision. Currently there are 10 members, and 11 members is the minimum required. So it isn't really about choice at this point. Secondly the reasons for the resignations and turmoil is the unwillingness of some, the majority, of the Academy members to recognize and properly handle the _alleged_ sexual harassment by Jean-Claude Arnault. To make this matter worse Jean-Claude Arnault is married to an Academy member and the two of them together run a 'culture' organization which is funded and closely related to the Academy.
- xtirpation 8y agoAlleged sexual harassment, in keeping with the facts reported in the article.
- PunchTornado 8y agoif it is alleged then how should you handle it? everyone is innocent until proven guilty.
- omginternets 8y ago...in a court of law. For better or for worse, this is a court of public opinion.
- coldtea 8y agoFor worse.
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- denzil_correa 8y agoPress Release from Swedish Academy : http://www.svenskaakademien.se/en/press/the-swedish-academy-postpones-the-2018-nobel-prize-in-literature http://www.svenskaakademien.se/en/press/the-swedish-academy-... Non Paywall Coverage BBC : http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43999240 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43999240 Guardian : https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/may/04/nobel-prize-for-literature-2018-cancelled-after-sexual-assault-scandal https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/may/04/nobel-prize-fo... CNN: https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/04/europe/nobel-prize-for-literature-swedish-academy-postponed-intl/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/04/europe/nobel-prize-for-li...
- AnnoyingSwede 8y agoThat's just too bad. I was hoping if Trump don't get the peace price, at least they could give him a belated literature price for "The art of the deal", seeing he had Swedish background back then.
- stochastic_monk 8y agoOff-topic: I’ve been hoping for Cormac McCarthy to win the Nobel Prize in literature for a number of years. I still think he deserves it, but I’m starting to lose hope.
- roymurdock 8y agoI don't think he hangs out with the right crowds in the right places to garner literary awards. From the little he's spoken to the press, it sounds like he spends most of his time chillin' with scientists and eating huevos rancheros in New Mexico: https://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2005/08/cormac-mccarthy-interview https://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2005/08/cormac-mccarthy-i...
- galfarragem 8y agoSomeone that also deserves is Lobo Antunes [1]. Also a Portuguese like José Saramago, but IMHO, is way more interesting: a psychiatrist that served in Colonial War. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant%C3%B3nio_Lobo_Antunes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant%C3%B3nio_Lobo_Antunes
- onetimemanytime 8y agoanother one frequently mentioned : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ismail_Kadare#Recognition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ismail_Kadare#Recognition
- LandR 8y ago> José Saramago his book "The Double" is brilliant.
- stochastic_monk 8y agoThe Dostoevsky-reminiscent title is enough to sell me. I’m excited to read it.
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- HugoDaniel 8y agoWhat about Justin Bieber ?
- Moodles 8y agoI don't understand why the Nobel prize is so prestigious. It's the same with the Oscars: it's just some arbitrary committee of people somewhere that decide who wins it. It's not like your peers decide if you win. So why does anyone actually care about the award? It's prestigious because we all agree it's prestigious.
- Mediterraneo10 8y ago> It's just some arbitrary committee of people somewhere that decide who wins it. The committee for the literature prize has contained some prestigious literary figures themselves, so it is to a slight degree a judgement of peers. Secondly, the membership of the committee has historically represented a high society that many authors have been members of themselves, or who hoped to have that high society among their audience. Go through the Nobel ceremony archives and you can see some writers getting quite emotional that they are there among the committee and the invited guests.
- Moodles 8y agoI agree that the deciding committee isn't completely incompetent. As you know, there are plenty of other intelligentsia that could also award prizes but they aren't deemed as prestigious. E.g. why the Swedish academy instead of the Royal Society? I think it is a bit strange how we fetisihize the Nobel above all others.
- theoh 8y agoThat's just how prestige works. It's a social phenomenon, not an objective reality. It can snowball. This book has an interesting but slightly reductive take on how prestige works in the arts: https://global.oup.com/academic/product/artworld-prestige-9780199913985?cc=ie&lang=en&# https://global.oup.com/academic/product/artworld-prestige-97...
- Moodles 8y agoIndeed. One prize gets 1% prestige, so people want to win it. More people want to win it, so the prize gains more prestige, etc.
- baalimago 8y agoThe correct decision, following all the turmoil surrounding Svensk Akademin, any prize given this year would be a lesser one.
- yitchelle 8y agoThis episode from the freakonomics podcast is apt as it shows some of the inner workings of the Nobel prize selection. http://freakonomics.com/podcast/how-to-win-a-nobel-prize-a-new-freakonomics-radio-episode/ http://freakonomics.com/podcast/how-to-win-a-nobel-prize-a-n...
- the_new_guy_29 8y agoI know it will sound really anty-semitic but when majority of Nobel prizes is awarded to people with Jewish inheritage or estate supporters it all just looks like a political tool of Israel - and a pretty badly disguised one.
- dang 8y agoPlease don't do this here.
- Bud 8y agoTrump will be really upset, having expected to win the Nobel Prize for Literature in honor of his tweets.
- radoslawc 8y ago'Accused' - whatever happened to not guilty unless proven otherwise?
- InclinedPlane 8y agoThere is a difference between the actions of the criminal justice system and of civil society. People routinely lose jobs and experience other consequences without being convicted of a crime or even without committing a crime. Indeed, the vast majority of job firings, for example, do not even involve criminal behavior.
- radoslawc 8y agoAgree, but when firing is because supposed criminal behaviour, then it's only fair to mention that he was fired because of involvement in such case against him, that it puts commitee in bad light etc. Otherwise it's just passing sentence without tribunal.
- InclinedPlane 8y agoNo, that's not how this works. Firing is for behavior, and an org can decide on its own what standards it wants to set on proof, evidence, etc. of that behavior, and this is completely independent of whether that behavior is legal as well as the outcome of any prosecution for that behavior. There are legal remedies for "injustices" such as being expelled from a school, being excluded from an organization, being fired from a job, being libeled/slandered or defamed, and so on. This is the way society works and has always worked for thousands of years. The idea that this is "passing sentence without a tribunal" is bunk, these people are not serving sentences, society is choosing how it wants to interact with these individuals, just as it does in countless of other examples.
- marvelous 8y agoAnd I was sure they would give it to Archimboldi this time!
- supergirl 8y agothey give it next year to beyonce