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I like the reframing to pretend like this is about personal property. You can sell your property to whoever you want. But there person who buys it can't do wha

I like the reframing to pretend like this is about personal property. You can sell your property to whoever you want. But there person who buys it can't do whatever they want. That's how it works everywhere. This is about zoning, not who you can sell your property to.

stale2002 8y ago
It IS about property rights though. I do not have the right to build whatever I want on my property, and I would like that to change. I would also like other people to have the rights to build whatever they want things THEIR property. How does arguing in favor of rights for property owners make YIMBY people hypocrits? You are saying that YIMBY people are doing something contradictory. There is nothing contradictory of arguing in favor of everyone being allowed to do what they want with their property. This is absolutely a moral argument, as it is about people being allowed to do what they want with property that they own. Arguments regarding rights are moral arguments.
- themagician 8y ago
  Then don't buy property in an area where the community has decided that property rights should have certain limits. If you want the "right to build whatever [you] want" go move out into an unincorporated area. Don't move to San Francisco and then try to force everyone around you to change so that YOU can do whatever YOU want.
  - stale2002 8y ago
    Instead of doing that, I am just going to try and get the laws changed. There are lots of people who care about affordable housing, and we are growing in political power. The rich people who only care about protecting their property values and increasing their rent prices, are slowing being outnumbered by renters who will vote to increase supply. We no longer live in a time where you have to be a property owner to vote. New people in an area have just as many political rights as property owners. So no, I am not going to just shut up and do nothing. I am going to play to win. And that means voting and trying to change the law. It will take time, but we are gaining in strength, because there are just so many people who are getting screwed by the establishment political interests. So I am confident that the supply problem will be solved eventually. I am sorry that people participating in a democracy offends you. And a democracy means that everyone has the same political rights, regardless of whether they have just moved to a city or if they have been there for 30 years.

stale2002 8y ago

It IS about property rights though. I do not have the right to build whatever I want on my property, and I would like that to change. I would also like other people to have the rights to build whatever they want things THEIR property. How does arguing in favor of rights for property owners make YIMBY people hypocrits? You are saying that YIMBY people are doing something contradictory. There is nothing contradictory of arguing in favor of everyone being allowed to do what they want with their property. This is absolutely a moral argument, as it is about people being allowed to do what they want with property that they own. Arguments regarding rights are moral arguments.

themagician 8y ago
Then don't buy property in an area where the community has decided that property rights should have certain limits. If you want the "right to build whatever [you] want" go move out into an unincorporated area. Don't move to San Francisco and then try to force everyone around you to change so that YOU can do whatever YOU want.
- stale2002 8y ago
  Instead of doing that, I am just going to try and get the laws changed. There are lots of people who care about affordable housing, and we are growing in political power. The rich people who only care about protecting their property values and increasing their rent prices, are slowing being outnumbered by renters who will vote to increase supply. We no longer live in a time where you have to be a property owner to vote. New people in an area have just as many political rights as property owners. So no, I am not going to just shut up and do nothing. I am going to play to win. And that means voting and trying to change the law. It will take time, but we are gaining in strength, because there are just so many people who are getting screwed by the establishment political interests. So I am confident that the supply problem will be solved eventually. I am sorry that people participating in a democracy offends you. And a democracy means that everyone has the same political rights, regardless of whether they have just moved to a city or if they have been there for 30 years.