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I used to live in Dublin, CA outside of SF, and there was a big housing boom there. I said that SF could turn off Dublin's housing boom with one vote. The entir

I used to live in Dublin, CA outside of SF, and there was a big housing boom there. I said that SF could turn off Dublin's housing boom with one vote. The entire Western US is in the same position with CA - every good place to live west of the Rockies is inundated with people leaving CA, many carrying CA housing wealth with them.

davidw 8y ago
Sadly, a lot of them bring the same bullshit policies and ideas with them. One person, originally from LA, commenting locally here in Bend was complaining about how a duplex would "ruin the neighborhood".
- StudentStuff 8y ago
  California Expats in large numbers are often disastrous for local politics. Many were political outsiders in Cali, but they bring baggage like the strong police state bent that most in SoCal seem to prefer with them. Especially in smaller communities, it is quite common to see a major ideological divide between those fleeing Cali and everyone else who lives there.
  - dsfyu404ed 8y ago
    I could not agree more.
- borkt 8y ago
  A lot but not all. I live in the north sf bay (born and raised) and am an engineer for a municipality that has seen a big influx in the past 10-years of wealthy bay area/socal types. I (and basically all of my co-workers who mostly grew up here when it was not much different from Oregon) feel the same way you do in Bend about them here in California. It is definitely a class of people who are all about getting up in everyone's business if it is something they do not agree with. I am not sure where they come from but I would definitely say it isn't so much California as a whole, as maybe those accustomed to urban centers moving to more rural areas.
  - dsfyu404ed 8y ago
    >It is definitely a class of people who are all about getting up in everyone's business if it is something they do not agree with I agree. I think this mindset is cancerous to society. Being all up in everyone's business is part of what creates things like asinine zoning, the war on drugs, etc.
dsfyu404ed 8y ago
I agree. The biggest gift CA can give to the other 49 would be to stop driving their own residents out. CA housing policy has hurt many places outside CA, Denver for example.
- davidw 8y ago
  As someone who considers myself a YIMBY, I welcome people from elsewhere, but I hope that they move to my town because of its merits, not simply because "WOW, CHEAP!".
  - sandy23 8y ago
    Everyone has a limited budget and you can't ask people not to consider the rental prices while choosing the locality.
    - eropple 8y ago
      I don't intend to speak for 'davidw, but communities imply a social contract and people picking where to live based primarily on rental prices seem quite a bit less likely to build a rapport with that community. I'm not blaming them for it--late capitalism, yo--but it is a thing and it's not unreasonable for an established, community-concerned member to be like "hey, there's more to us than where your apartment is."
      - jjeaff 8y ago
        >cash out and live like a king That's increasingly the problem in CA. Current residents have spent so much on housing that their only chance for a decent retirement is of their home values keep going up. They've paid so much that they haven't contributed nearly enough to their retirement accounts. You can hardly blame a NIMBY if nearly 100% of their net worth is tied up in their home value and falling home values will result in them having 0 retirement and no ability to sell their home and move because they are so far underwater.
        8y ago

davidw 8y ago

Sadly, a lot of them bring the same bullshit policies and ideas with them. One person, originally from LA, commenting locally here in Bend was complaining about how a duplex would "ruin the neighborhood".

StudentStuff 8y ago
California Expats in large numbers are often disastrous for local politics. Many were political outsiders in Cali, but they bring baggage like the strong police state bent that most in SoCal seem to prefer with them. Especially in smaller communities, it is quite common to see a major ideological divide between those fleeing Cali and everyone else who lives there.
- dsfyu404ed 8y ago
  I could not agree more.
borkt 8y ago
A lot but not all. I live in the north sf bay (born and raised) and am an engineer for a municipality that has seen a big influx in the past 10-years of wealthy bay area/socal types. I (and basically all of my co-workers who mostly grew up here when it was not much different from Oregon) feel the same way you do in Bend about them here in California. It is definitely a class of people who are all about getting up in everyone's business if it is something they do not agree with. I am not sure where they come from but I would definitely say it isn't so much California as a whole, as maybe those accustomed to urban centers moving to more rural areas.
- dsfyu404ed 8y ago
  >It is definitely a class of people who are all about getting up in everyone's business if it is something they do not agree with I agree. I think this mindset is cancerous to society. Being all up in everyone's business is part of what creates things like asinine zoning, the war on drugs, etc.

dsfyu404ed 8y ago

I agree. The biggest gift CA can give to the other 49 would be to stop driving their own residents out. CA housing policy has hurt many places outside CA, Denver for example.

davidw 8y ago
As someone who considers myself a YIMBY, I welcome people from elsewhere, but I hope that they move to my town because of its merits, not simply because "WOW, CHEAP!".
- sandy23 8y ago
  Everyone has a limited budget and you can't ask people not to consider the rental prices while choosing the locality.
  - eropple 8y ago
    I don't intend to speak for 'davidw, but communities imply a social contract and people picking where to live based primarily on rental prices seem quite a bit less likely to build a rapport with that community. I'm not blaming them for it--late capitalism, yo--but it is a thing and it's not unreasonable for an established, community-concerned member to be like "hey, there's more to us than where your apartment is."
    - jjeaff 8y ago
      >cash out and live like a king That's increasingly the problem in CA. Current residents have spent so much on housing that their only chance for a decent retirement is of their home values keep going up. They've paid so much that they haven't contributed nearly enough to their retirement accounts. You can hardly blame a NIMBY if nearly 100% of their net worth is tied up in their home value and falling home values will result in them having 0 retirement and no ability to sell their home and move because they are so far underwater.
      - 8y ago