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The best I can find of the SB827 opponents is statements like this: http://www.dsa-la.org/statement_in_opposition_to_sb_827 http://www.dsa-la.org/statement_in_o
by zasz 8y ago
The best I can find of the SB827 opponents is statements like this: http://www.dsa-la.org/statement_in_opposition_to_sb_827 http://www.dsa-la.org/statement_in_opposition_to_sb_827
The anti-development left is, for a variety of reasons, not terribly visible. Poor people of color lack visibility in the first place, and so do the more extreme leftists. So you multiply those together, and you're not going to get a movement that commands a lot of attention.
The other issue with finding unified op-eds against YIMBYs is that these battles are literally fought building by building. If you really want a detailed look at the debates that showcases both sides, you'll have to start reading more local news. NIMBYs are generally quite happy to acknowledge that there's a statewide housing crisis, but they'll refuse to build anything in their own neighborhoods. NIMBYs don't need to be a unified force to get their way. Whereas, YIMBYs seeking to enact statewide change via bills like SB827 do.
- nerfhammer 8y agoPoor people of color don't oppose development, it's mostly upper middle class whites: "77% of Latinos, 69% of African Americans, and 64% of Asian Americans support building more housing in their local areas, compared with 53% of whites.” http://www.ppic.org/publication/californians-and-housing-affordability/ http://www.ppic.org/publication/californians-and-housing-aff...
- zasz 8y agoAnd that's why YIMBYs like me like to call the leftists who oppose building more housing "fauxgressives."
- DrScump 8y ago...oppose development, it's mostly upper middle class whites Wait for it... 53% of whites (*support* building more housing) Your own quote literally belies your claim. A valid conclusion from that source is that "whites support more housing but at lower rates than (other ethnicities)", but that's not opposition.
- raldi 8y agoHuh? The claim was that the people who oppose development are predominantly upper middle class whites, not that a majority of white people oppose development.
- DrScump 8y agoBut the chosen quote doesn't support that claim.
- raldi 8y agoYou said it "literally belies it", not that it fails to support it.
- masonic 8y ago"belie (trasitive verb) 1 a : to give a false impression of: "Her gentleness belies her strength." b : to present an appearance not in agreement with: "His manner and appearance belie his age." https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/belie https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/belie To say "it's mostly upper middle class whites" does give a false impression of what the study said. Do you have other sources that support that statement?
- eldavido 8y agoOh believe me, they are HIGHLY visible everywhere it counts: local committee meetings, elections, city hall, etc. You just don't see them because "visible" to us here means posting on HN or Medium or Twitter. There's just a huge gulf between the local and global people that we need to transcend.
- zasz 8y agoOf course I know anti-development people are the ones most likely to show up to public meetings. I've gone to plenty in Palo Alto, and I canvassed for a pro-growth slate. I'm not the kind of apathetic techie who only reads social networking sites, and I'm annoyed that you seem to have missed the part where I suggest interested parties read more local news. But NIMBYs generally don't have a real argument against development the way anti-development leftists do, and that's what I meant by visibility. You're not going to see a NIMBY write a coherent statement, and publicize it to as wide an audience as possible, the way a DSA chapter would.