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What's the alternative? As others have pointed out the results as they stand aren't that good and, as you point out, other search engines have their own incenti

What's the alternative? As others have pointed out the results as they stand aren't that good and, as you point out, other search engines have their own incentives to push stuff to the top. Since the scoring system can be customized I think we can eventually figure out a way to deal with bots but it will always be done in a way that has to treat all domains equally. I think it would be appropriate to have our scoring system regularly audited (along with the rest of the code) to ensure that we treat all domains equally and that no modifications are being made to the rest of the code in regards to privacy. If, after all of that, you aren't satisfied then by all means you can run your own instance and order the results as you see fit while blocking others from upvoting/downvoting. EDIT: BTW, I am not suggesting that the voting system is set in stone. If there is a better way then I'd love to hear it! I do understand the drawbacks to the users voting and I hope I am not coming across as being completely inflexible on this point. I just haven't come up with a better alternative and haven't gotten much in terms of concrete suggestions.

notheguyouthink 8y ago
> What's the alternative? As others have pointed out the results as they stand aren't that good and, as you point out, other search engines have their own incentives to push stuff to the top. That's the million dollar question isn't it? If I had an answer, I'd have a product ;) That doesn't change the fact though that I don't trust Reddit any further than I can throw it. It's fun for memes, but beyond that it's been proven to having been manipulated multiple times now. > Since the scoring system can be customized I think we can eventually figure out a way to deal with bots but it will always be done in a way that has to treat all domains equally. I think it would be appropriate to have our scoring system regularly audited (along with the rest of the code) to ensure that we treat all domains equally and that no modifications are being made to the rest of the code in regards to privacy. Yea, I hope. I'm not trying to knock your product at all btw. If you read my first comment, I even said I love the idea of a voting based search, but I just can't trust the public to do the voting. If it was based on a peer network (brothers friend, brother's friend's friend, etc), maybe that would be better. Obviously though there are challenges with that sort of method, I'm not saying it's perfect or even good - it was just an idea after 30s of thinking haha. > EDIT: BTW, I am not suggesting that the voting system is set in stone. If there is a better way then I'd love to hear it! I do understand the drawbacks to the users voting and I hope I am not coming across as being completely inflexible on this point. I just haven't come up with a better alternative and haven't gotten much in terms of concrete suggestions. You haven't gotten concrete suggestions because I think no one knows the answer. Information manipulation is, in my opinion, the biggest problem facing humanity right now. Literally. So it's no surprised that our ideas to prevent manipulation at scale are lacking.

notheguyouthink 8y ago

> What's the alternative? As others have pointed out the results as they stand aren't that good and, as you point out, other search engines have their own incentives to push stuff to the top. That's the million dollar question isn't it? If I had an answer, I'd have a product ;) That doesn't change the fact though that I don't trust Reddit any further than I can throw it. It's fun for memes, but beyond that it's been proven to having been manipulated multiple times now. > Since the scoring system can be customized I think we can eventually figure out a way to deal with bots but it will always be done in a way that has to treat all domains equally. I think it would be appropriate to have our scoring system regularly audited (along with the rest of the code) to ensure that we treat all domains equally and that no modifications are being made to the rest of the code in regards to privacy. Yea, I hope. I'm not trying to knock your product at all btw. If you read my first comment, I even said I love the idea of a voting based search, but I just can't trust the public to do the voting. If it was based on a peer network (brothers friend, brother's friend's friend, etc), maybe that would be better. Obviously though there are challenges with that sort of method, I'm not saying it's perfect or even good - it was just an idea after 30s of thinking haha. > EDIT: BTW, I am not suggesting that the voting system is set in stone. If there is a better way then I'd love to hear it! I do understand the drawbacks to the users voting and I hope I am not coming across as being completely inflexible on this point. I just haven't come up with a better alternative and haven't gotten much in terms of concrete suggestions. You haven't gotten concrete suggestions because I think no one knows the answer. Information manipulation is, in my opinion, the biggest problem facing humanity right now. Literally. So it's no surprised that our ideas to prevent manipulation at scale are lacking.