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Maybe it’s time the EU took a look at advertising. I mean, we’re building things like the GDPR and a lot of legislation to protect minors from the dangers that

Maybe it’s time the EU took a look at advertising. I mean, we’re building things like the GDPR and a lot of legislation to protect minors from the dangers that come from social media. We see loot boxes, underage gambling, traders selling you recommendations for their own products, scammers, young people prostitute them selves to get photo shoots at exotic locations or for luxurary stuff for likes. Probably worse than that too, and at the heart of it is advertising and how it makes money on popularity, lies and knowing every about everyone. Popularity will always be worth money to someone, but the current business practices surrounding it just don’t seem healthy.

gowld 8y ago
Or it's not time, because we don't want sex workers' livelihoods destroyed by Puritanical nanny states.
rsynnott 8y ago
For whatever reason, the EU has never been terribly interested in regulating advertising; that's nearly all national agencies, and varies greatly by country (some of the Nordics ban a lot of advertising to kids, say).
21 8y ago
> young people prostitute them selves to get photo shoots at exotic locations or for luxurary stuff for likes So what's the alternative, working 9-5 in retail for minimum wage and after 10 years you are still nowhere? Unless you are in a highly demanded domain like software, there are few opportunities for young people.
- simonbarker87 8y ago
  The alternative is genuine entrepreneurship or working your butt off in school in an area that is actually in demand rather than a pointless degree. There seems to be an assumption now that everyone is entitled to a nice cushy lifestyle but if you don’t work in school, don’t develop in demand skills or find a gap in the market to exploit then it’s not going to happen.
  - lovich 8y ago
    Ah shit, that was my mistake, I didn't just pick an in demand niche that no one else had already identified and filled. Good thing I had this safety net to fall on after I spent my savings that took me 30 years to build up to make an attempt on a business. As it stands in the US currently if you don't receive help from your parents or some other rich connection, the average person is winning the lottery if they start a business and succeed. There is nothing between you and homelessness if you don't have the business succeed, and any sort of health problem will nuke what savings you have immediately
    - asdffdsa321 8y ago
      Yeah, seems like wealth is generally created over generations, rather than lifetimes (common case might be something like: 0 - 1 your grandparents immigrate and work hard to survive, 1-10 your parents work hard to go from subsistence to middle class, 10 - 100 you have enough safety net to take risks/follow passions/start successful bussinesses). Of course there's always exceptions.
  - germinalphrase 8y ago
    ...or wages have simply not kept up with inflation. I'm a high school teacher in a state that has a teacher shortage (and yet performs at toward the top of the national rankings). I'm good at my job - do it because it matters in a way that most jobs don't - and have rapidly moved up into the best districts in the state. In demand isn't always the issue. My take home pay is 27k. Teaching is obviously in the news lately for pay concerns - but this hollowing out of wages is across the board.
- madeofpalk 8y ago
  I mean, that's only because you/we romanticise our industry. What a bizarre false dichotomy. Literal prostitution, retail job, or software development. There are plenty of others out there that are needed that people work in. Become an apprentice, learn a trade, and start business. Work in retail, become a manager, own a location, climb the ranks. Get a finance degree, work at a firm, create a consultancy.
  - savanaly 8y ago
    That all sounds hard.
    - madeofpalk 8y ago
      Yeah, whodathunkit? Being successful involves effort
    - leetcrew 8y ago
      becoming a manager in retail is really not that hard. most of my friends that started working retail in high school are managers by now (unless they left for a better job).
      - upvotinglurker 8y ago
        Yup. One of my high school classmates was an assistant manager at the Burger King where we worked as soon as he graduated high school.
- maerF0x0 8y ago
  > Unless you are in a highly demanded domain like software, there are few opportunities for young people. If you mean old style "Jobs", correct. If you mean opportunity to impact the world and get paid for it, nonsense. There has never been a time that it has been so easy to 1) Reach millions/billions of people (Internet), 2) Raise money (kickstarter, VC/startup culture), 3) learn about something for free (MOOCs), 4) bring a real product to market (Amazon fulfillment) . The only thing missing is real ideas and the work ethic to use 1-4.

gowld 8y ago

Or it's not time, because we don't want sex workers' livelihoods destroyed by Puritanical nanny states.

rsynnott 8y ago

For whatever reason, the EU has never been terribly interested in regulating advertising; that's nearly all national agencies, and varies greatly by country (some of the Nordics ban a lot of advertising to kids, say).

21 8y ago

> young people prostitute them selves to get photo shoots at exotic locations or for luxurary stuff for likes So what's the alternative, working 9-5 in retail for minimum wage and after 10 years you are still nowhere? Unless you are in a highly demanded domain like software, there are few opportunities for young people.

simonbarker87 8y ago
The alternative is genuine entrepreneurship or working your butt off in school in an area that is actually in demand rather than a pointless degree. There seems to be an assumption now that everyone is entitled to a nice cushy lifestyle but if you don’t work in school, don’t develop in demand skills or find a gap in the market to exploit then it’s not going to happen.
- lovich 8y ago
  Ah shit, that was my mistake, I didn't just pick an in demand niche that no one else had already identified and filled. Good thing I had this safety net to fall on after I spent my savings that took me 30 years to build up to make an attempt on a business. As it stands in the US currently if you don't receive help from your parents or some other rich connection, the average person is winning the lottery if they start a business and succeed. There is nothing between you and homelessness if you don't have the business succeed, and any sort of health problem will nuke what savings you have immediately
  - asdffdsa321 8y ago
    Yeah, seems like wealth is generally created over generations, rather than lifetimes (common case might be something like: 0 - 1 your grandparents immigrate and work hard to survive, 1-10 your parents work hard to go from subsistence to middle class, 10 - 100 you have enough safety net to take risks/follow passions/start successful bussinesses). Of course there's always exceptions.
- germinalphrase 8y ago
  ...or wages have simply not kept up with inflation. I'm a high school teacher in a state that has a teacher shortage (and yet performs at toward the top of the national rankings). I'm good at my job - do it because it matters in a way that most jobs don't - and have rapidly moved up into the best districts in the state. In demand isn't always the issue. My take home pay is 27k. Teaching is obviously in the news lately for pay concerns - but this hollowing out of wages is across the board.
madeofpalk 8y ago
I mean, that's only because you/we romanticise our industry. What a bizarre false dichotomy. Literal prostitution, retail job, or software development. There are plenty of others out there that are needed that people work in. Become an apprentice, learn a trade, and start business. Work in retail, become a manager, own a location, climb the ranks. Get a finance degree, work at a firm, create a consultancy.
- savanaly 8y ago
  That all sounds hard.
  - madeofpalk 8y ago
    Yeah, whodathunkit? Being successful involves effort
  - leetcrew 8y ago
    becoming a manager in retail is really not that hard. most of my friends that started working retail in high school are managers by now (unless they left for a better job).
    - upvotinglurker 8y ago
      Yup. One of my high school classmates was an assistant manager at the Burger King where we worked as soon as he graduated high school.
maerF0x0 8y ago
> Unless you are in a highly demanded domain like software, there are few opportunities for young people. If you mean old style "Jobs", correct. If you mean opportunity to impact the world and get paid for it, nonsense. There has never been a time that it has been so easy to 1) Reach millions/billions of people (Internet), 2) Raise money (kickstarter, VC/startup culture), 3) learn about something for free (MOOCs), 4) bring a real product to market (Amazon fulfillment) . The only thing missing is real ideas and the work ethic to use 1-4.