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> slowly I'd say rapidly. And, it's really hard to see how they can be stopped. They're now capable disrupting any market they choose. On the one hand, this

> slowly I'd say rapidly. And, it's really hard to see how they can be stopped. They're now capable disrupting any market they choose. On the one hand, this can be a good thing, i.e Healthcare. On the other I feel like we're going to end up with something like Pixar's 'Buy-N-Large'

vthallam 8y ago
> it's really hard to see how they can be stopped I know it's hard. But I was counting on Google Express being really really good in delivery and item availability. They partner with retailers in helping their products get more discovery and handle some logistics. I'd take 2 players competing vs one large player any day.
- reaperducer 8y ago
  I'd like to like Google Express, but it's just not a good competitor for Prime in my market. I ordered something from a department store down the street. It ended up getting shipped out of San Francisco, and took over a week to arrive. I could have ordered and returned something via Prime three times in the amount of time it took Google to send me something. Plus, the selection is very limited. But that might just be my market.
wgerard 8y ago
> They're now capable disrupting any market they choose. Ehhh, I think you're really glossing over Amazon's failures here; they've tried to get into some markets and gotten pretty well demolished. If they've learned anything from those failures, it certainly isn't obvious.
- radiorental 8y ago
  Which markets have they entered and failed? They are certainly hit or miss on product design but their execution entering markets has been a high successful formula. Razor thin margins until the competition bleeds to death. I would like to understand examples of where they failed there? I will also grant you that they do take a big of a 'see what sticks to the wall' approach to innovation. But do not mistake rapid iteration as a singular 'failure'
  - krisroadruck 8y ago
    Their attempt to enter the mobile phone market meeting with pretty spectacular failure is the first example that comes to mind.
    - radiorental 8y ago
      That's a product, not a marketplace
      - slenk 8y ago
        A product to get a foothold in the market, with which they could not.
  - wgerard 8y ago
    Off the top of my head: 1) Mobile phones with the Fire phone - don't think this one requires any explanation. 2) Handmade goods with Amazon Handmade - Etsy's doing better than ever. 3) Travel with Destinations - don't think they've even tried to re-enter this market. I'm sure I could find more, but we tend not to remember a company's failures (unless they're spectacular) as much as successes.
    - taco_emoji 8y ago
      Amazon Local, meant to compete with Groupon.
LyndsySimon 8y ago
> it's really hard to see how they can be stopped. I don't think they can "be stopped" - at least not by competitors, as long as they maintain their overall strategy of expanding their marketshare by cutting margins below what their competitors can bear. In my opinion, this is the way it should be. If a monopoly exists that is more efficient than a competitor can be, then it deserves to exist and its existence benefits consumers. On the other hand, if a monopoly becomes abusive then it will be destroyed very quickly by others who will be more than happy to undercut them. Amazon (and all monopolies) will fail much more quickly than might be apparent at first glance if they abuse their position. "Bigger" does not always mean "stronger".
- mistermann 8y ago
  > On the other hand, if a monopoly becomes abusive then it will be destroyed very quickly by others who will be more than happy to undercut them. > Amazon (and all monopolies) will fail much more quickly than might be apparent at first glance if they abuse their position. Are these universal truths, with no possible exceptions in the past of future? > "Bigger" does not always mean "stronger". Crossing the street without looking both directions does not always result in being injured or killed, but it often does.

vthallam 8y ago

> it's really hard to see how they can be stopped I know it's hard. But I was counting on Google Express being really really good in delivery and item availability. They partner with retailers in helping their products get more discovery and handle some logistics. I'd take 2 players competing vs one large player any day.

reaperducer 8y ago
I'd like to like Google Express, but it's just not a good competitor for Prime in my market. I ordered something from a department store down the street. It ended up getting shipped out of San Francisco, and took over a week to arrive. I could have ordered and returned something via Prime three times in the amount of time it took Google to send me something. Plus, the selection is very limited. But that might just be my market.

wgerard 8y ago

> They're now capable disrupting any market they choose. Ehhh, I think you're really glossing over Amazon's failures here; they've tried to get into some markets and gotten pretty well demolished. If they've learned anything from those failures, it certainly isn't obvious.

radiorental 8y ago
Which markets have they entered and failed? They are certainly hit or miss on product design but their execution entering markets has been a high successful formula. Razor thin margins until the competition bleeds to death. I would like to understand examples of where they failed there? I will also grant you that they do take a big of a 'see what sticks to the wall' approach to innovation. But do not mistake rapid iteration as a singular 'failure'
- krisroadruck 8y ago
  Their attempt to enter the mobile phone market meeting with pretty spectacular failure is the first example that comes to mind.
  - radiorental 8y ago
    That's a product, not a marketplace
    - slenk 8y ago
      A product to get a foothold in the market, with which they could not.
- wgerard 8y ago
  Off the top of my head: 1) Mobile phones with the Fire phone - don't think this one requires any explanation. 2) Handmade goods with Amazon Handmade - Etsy's doing better than ever. 3) Travel with Destinations - don't think they've even tried to re-enter this market. I'm sure I could find more, but we tend not to remember a company's failures (unless they're spectacular) as much as successes.
  - taco_emoji 8y ago
    Amazon Local, meant to compete with Groupon.

LyndsySimon 8y ago

> it's really hard to see how they can be stopped. I don't think they can "be stopped" - at least not by competitors, as long as they maintain their overall strategy of expanding their marketshare by cutting margins below what their competitors can bear. In my opinion, this is the way it should be. If a monopoly exists that is more efficient than a competitor can be, then it deserves to exist and its existence benefits consumers. On the other hand, if a monopoly becomes abusive then it will be destroyed very quickly by others who will be more than happy to undercut them. Amazon (and all monopolies) will fail much more quickly than might be apparent at first glance if they abuse their position. "Bigger" does not always mean "stronger".

mistermann 8y ago
> On the other hand, if a monopoly becomes abusive then it will be destroyed very quickly by others who will be more than happy to undercut them. > Amazon (and all monopolies) will fail much more quickly than might be apparent at first glance if they abuse their position. Are these universal truths, with no possible exceptions in the past of future? > "Bigger" does not always mean "stronger". Crossing the street without looking both directions does not always result in being injured or killed, but it often does.