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I believe it’s simply easier to manipulate younger devs into taking lower salaries, in general. So the tech companies (and apparently in China as well), reinfor

I believe it’s simply easier to manipulate younger devs into taking lower salaries, in general. So the tech companies (and apparently in China as well), reinforce this ageism.

nailer 8y ago
> I believe it’s simply easier to manipulate younger devs into taking lower salaries I agree with this, but just wanted to add how interesting it is that it occurs in a country ostensibly run by a system which is ostensibly about the power of labour.
- badosu 8y ago
  Isn't this rampant on US as well though? E.G. shallow perks as ping-pong table, snacks, videogame, beers in the office but totally disfunctional management and work-life balance. Using the latest shiny tech just because it makes it easier to target these groups and replace the burned out ones. I see this happening a lot on finance and consulting jobs outside of tech too: - Offer a reasonable salary for interns/trainees (not reasonable relative to the responsibilities though) - Promise a huge corporate salary with benefits for the ones that are able to remain more than x years - Burn all of them out, working overtime, abusing from young inexperienced people - Promote a couple from dozens of people to serve as an example of successful cases - Fire or continue abusing the rest - Rinse and repeat In the end you acquired a couple of indoctrinated corporate zombies as well as years of cheap hours from the other ones. Just take a look at every year's trainee program and the mind washing process from banks and corporate consultancies. Do the candidates really believe that the company needs so many trainees each year? The turnover is a feature, not a bug... Edit: Just noticed my point is not related to your argument, and I actually agree with you.
- ataturk 8y ago
  Communism is not about the "power of labor." Communism is about taking the individual and beating him into the mud until they are a bloody pulp, unable and unwilling to ever resist again. It is the ultimate conformity at the point of a gun. And I find it increasingly alarming that young people don't understand what I just said. I also think that it is very illuminating that China, the giant human anthill, expresses every single abuse that the Industrial Revolution revealed to the world--you know, the very behaviors that Marx and Engels were so angry about?
- nailer 8y ago
  Replying to ataturk, who make a comment that is accurate (it doesn't deserve to be flagged, and I've 'vouched' for it), yet missed something: > Communism is not about the "power of labor." Communism is about taking the individual and beating him into the mud until they are a bloody pulp, unable and unwilling to ever resist again. Yes, that's why I used the word 'ostensibly'. As in they're not even paying lip service to the supposed goal.
  - s73v3r_ 8y ago
    Their comment was not accurate, and that's why it was flagged and downvoted. In many areas, you could say the exact same thing about capitalism.
    - nailer 8y ago
      That's a ridiculous comparison, and probably a better example of a comment worth flagging. Capitalism has many faults, but hasn't directly led to the deaths of 100M people.
      - s73v3r_ 8y ago
        I would beg to differ on that. Capitalism has brought us many, many harmful things. Oil companies using might to muscle into developing countries, polluting them, and not doing anything to clean up, for one. If you're going to blame the deaths of 100 million people on Communism, you have to attribute to Capitalism the same deaths caused by companies flouting the law, releasing dangerous products, and market based providing of services. Communism isn't to blame when someone dies because they can't afford healthcare.
  - dang 8y ago
    Please don't vouch for ideological rant comments; they're off topic here and break the site guidelines every which way. And please don't use HN for ideological battle in general. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I believe it’s simply easier to manipulate younger devs into taking lower salaries, in general. So the tech companies (and apparently in China as well), reinforce this ageism.

nailer 8y ago

> I believe it’s simply easier to manipulate younger devs into taking lower salaries I agree with this, but just wanted to add how interesting it is that it occurs in a country ostensibly run by a system which is ostensibly about the power of labour.

badosu 8y ago
Isn't this rampant on US as well though? E.G. shallow perks as ping-pong table, snacks, videogame, beers in the office but totally disfunctional management and work-life balance. Using the latest shiny tech just because it makes it easier to target these groups and replace the burned out ones. I see this happening a lot on finance and consulting jobs outside of tech too: - Offer a reasonable salary for interns/trainees (not reasonable relative to the responsibilities though) - Promise a huge corporate salary with benefits for the ones that are able to remain more than x years - Burn all of them out, working overtime, abusing from young inexperienced people - Promote a couple from dozens of people to serve as an example of successful cases - Fire or continue abusing the rest - Rinse and repeat In the end you acquired a couple of indoctrinated corporate zombies as well as years of cheap hours from the other ones. Just take a look at every year's trainee program and the mind washing process from banks and corporate consultancies. Do the candidates really believe that the company needs so many trainees each year? The turnover is a feature, not a bug... Edit: Just noticed my point is not related to your argument, and I actually agree with you.
ataturk 8y ago
Communism is not about the "power of labor." Communism is about taking the individual and beating him into the mud until they are a bloody pulp, unable and unwilling to ever resist again. It is the ultimate conformity at the point of a gun. And I find it increasingly alarming that young people don't understand what I just said. I also think that it is very illuminating that China, the giant human anthill, expresses every single abuse that the Industrial Revolution revealed to the world--you know, the very behaviors that Marx and Engels were so angry about?
nailer 8y ago
Replying to ataturk, who make a comment that is accurate (it doesn't deserve to be flagged, and I've 'vouched' for it), yet missed something: > Communism is not about the "power of labor." Communism is about taking the individual and beating him into the mud until they are a bloody pulp, unable and unwilling to ever resist again. Yes, that's why I used the word 'ostensibly'. As in they're not even paying lip service to the supposed goal.
- s73v3r_ 8y ago
  Their comment was not accurate, and that's why it was flagged and downvoted. In many areas, you could say the exact same thing about capitalism.
  - nailer 8y ago
    That's a ridiculous comparison, and probably a better example of a comment worth flagging. Capitalism has many faults, but hasn't directly led to the deaths of 100M people.
    - s73v3r_ 8y ago
      I would beg to differ on that. Capitalism has brought us many, many harmful things. Oil companies using might to muscle into developing countries, polluting them, and not doing anything to clean up, for one. If you're going to blame the deaths of 100 million people on Communism, you have to attribute to Capitalism the same deaths caused by companies flouting the law, releasing dangerous products, and market based providing of services. Communism isn't to blame when someone dies because they can't afford healthcare.
- dang 8y ago
  Please don't vouch for ideological rant comments; they're off topic here and break the site guidelines every which way. And please don't use HN for ideological battle in general. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html