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You are absolutely being pedantic. But more importantly, you're no longer making complete sense: > if I say toxic masculinity produces certain social problems

You are absolutely being pedantic. But more importantly, you're no longer making complete sense: > if I say toxic masculinity produces certain social problems, it doesn't mean either that all masculinity is toxic ... That is your opinion. That's a taking a very nuanced view. "Toxic masculinity" is not a specifically addressed term and therefore it may be interpreted as a universal male trait by the young listener. > ... or that all problems are social This makes toxic masculinity even worse by your own definition: the toxicity might be understood as a natural and unalterable part of the poor little guy. The messaging is just sloppy and is quite frankly hurtful, possibly intentionally, though not by you. You've partially conceded this sloppiness in your response even without my cajoling.

dragonwriter 8y ago
> > if I say toxic masculinity produces certain social problems, it doesn't mean either that all masculinity is toxic ... > That is your opinion It's just the normal literal meaning of adjectives modifying nouns. > That's a taking a very nuanced view. No, it's not. It's the simple literal meaning. Reading any more into such a construct is a non-literal reading which involves some (perhaps incorrectly inferred) nuance. > This makes toxic masculinity even worse by your own definition: I have presented no definition by which this barely-coherent claim is true.
- EdSharkey 8y ago
  You've made such an odd assertion though, I thought I was misreading you. Please forgive my confusion. You seem to be saying that applying grammar rules to literal word definitions should provide 100% of the information conveyed in a conversation. The phrase "toxic masculinity" is only a small piece of information in related conversations between people. There's context, body language, tone, emotional states, memory of past conversations, number of participants, etc that provides all the meaning to the conversation. Are you not confronting the issue in terms of real human communications especially regarding kids and choosing only to discuss word meanings? That's not very helpful. :shrug:

dragonwriter 8y ago

> > if I say toxic masculinity produces certain social problems, it doesn't mean either that all masculinity is toxic ... > That is your opinion It's just the normal literal meaning of adjectives modifying nouns. > That's a taking a very nuanced view. No, it's not. It's the simple literal meaning. Reading any more into such a construct is a non-literal reading which involves some (perhaps incorrectly inferred) nuance. > This makes toxic masculinity even worse by your own definition: I have presented no definition by which this barely-coherent claim is true.

EdSharkey 8y ago
You've made such an odd assertion though, I thought I was misreading you. Please forgive my confusion. You seem to be saying that applying grammar rules to literal word definitions should provide 100% of the information conveyed in a conversation. The phrase "toxic masculinity" is only a small piece of information in related conversations between people. There's context, body language, tone, emotional states, memory of past conversations, number of participants, etc that provides all the meaning to the conversation. Are you not confronting the issue in terms of real human communications especially regarding kids and choosing only to discuss word meanings? That's not very helpful. :shrug: