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Nuikta (http://nuitka.net/ http://nuitka.net/) already does that and much more: - it compiles your program and make it stand alone so you can distribute just t

Nuikta (http://nuitka.net/ http://nuitka.net/) already does that and much more: - it compiles your program and make it stand alone so you can distribute just the exe - it makes it start faster - it makes it run faster - it's fully independant of the system python. Actually your system doesn't even need a python at all I don't get why it's not used, it's very robust, compatible with 3.6 and on some of my script I get about x4 speed up just on start up alone.

rhizome 9y ago
Is it a perl2exe descendant, packing the interpreter into an executable wrapper?
- sametmax 9y ago
  No it compiles python to C, then compile the C.
std_throwaway 9y ago
This is different from the package that I've tested (PyInstaller or py2exe). Is Nuikta compatible with numpy, pickle, etc? I remember that numpy was very problematic with compilers like pypy for a long time.
- sametmax 9y ago
  In my experience it's easier and more reliable than PyInstaller or Py2exe to use, and cross plateform (but no cross compilation). It doesn't pack python files with an executable. It translates the Python code to C then compiles it. Nuikta supports numpy officially, you can even see it in change logs: http://nuitka.net/posts/nuitka-release-0521.html http://nuitka.net/posts/nuitka-release-0521.html I haven't tried pickle.
- vram22 9y ago
  >This is different from the package that I've tested (PyInstaller or py2exe). In an ancestor comment you say: > A single file several hundred Megabytes in size. Are both points referring to PyInstaller? Asking because I've tried out PyInstaller with small CLI as well as GUI (wxPython) programs, and the resulting EXEs did not reach near that size, IIRC.
  - std_throwaway 9y ago
    It was around 150..300 MB if I remember right. Admittedly, I do import a lot of modules. Program startup for me is in the seconds, not milliseconds. I maybe could cut it down 50% or even 80% but then that would cost a few weeks or a few months. Having a quick and robust solution to be implemented in a single week to cut down startup times by that amount would be highly preferable.
    - vram22 9y ago
      Interesting. I see what you mean. That tip that someone else mentioned, IIRC, in this thread, to import modules inside functions that use them, could cut down startup time, but only if those functions are not called at startup, only later during the program's run. But it would not change the EXE size, I guess. I wish Python and all other interpreted languages came with a way to build EXEs from the start. It would be great for deployment.
scrollaway 9y ago
First time I hear about this, and I've looked for alternatives to cxfreeze and its cousins in the past. Any time I see something like this, I feel like I'm hearing about some homeopathic cancer cure. If Nuitka actually does what it says it does, it's solving a big recurrent problem for the Python community, so why is nobody talking about it?
- carapace 9y ago
  I collect ideas, especially weird and powerful ideas. I've learned not to try to talk about it because of that question: "If foo is so great, why isn't everybody using it?" It's one of the single greatest frustrations of my life. I don't know. I've never made any progress on it. The best you can say is, "Well, that seems to be human nature." The world is full of "magic beans" and most people seem interested in banging their heads against the wall. (Did you know, you can make a 140hp engine that fits in the volume of two stacked pizza boxes and has only one moving part?) Anyhow, Nuitka is great, it does do all that. And the creator is a freakin' saint for putting up with the way he's been treated by the Python community, is my opinion.
  - sametmax 9y ago
    Saint is the word given he has be working really seriously at it for 8 years, alone, never complaining, and giving away everything without any recognition.
    - carapace 9y ago
      Bingo.
  - sametmax 9y ago
    Also, you should write a blig about those ideas. Or a place where we can share it, but in a non tin foil way / silver bullet way. Eg: after 7 years of having malaria, one tropical disease doctor explained to me that we have been able to cure malaria for years. Generalist doctors usually don't know it because they don't encounter the disease often enough to keep up to date. It's kind of hard pill to swallow given that i always though you had it for life.
svenklemm 9y ago
Does nuitka build a static executable or do you still need to supply shared libraries with the executable?
- sametmax 9y ago
  It builds a static executable if you pass it the --standalone option.
  - jwilk 9y ago
    No, it doesn't. $ echo 'print "Hello world"' > hello.py $ nuitka --standalone hello.py $ ldd hello.dist/hello.exe linux-gate.so.1 (0xf7f94000) libdl.so.2 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2 (0xf7895000) libpython2.7.so.1.0 => /home/jwilk/hello.dist/libpython2.7.so.1.0 (0xf7508000) libc.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (0xf732f000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xf7f96000) libz.so.1 => /home/jwilk/hello.dist/libz.so.1 (0xf7310000) libpthread.so.0 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0 (0xf72f1000) libutil.so.1 => /home/jwilk/hello.dist/libutil.so.1 (0xf72ed000) libm.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libm.so.6 (0xf71eb000)
    - sametmax 9y ago
      Ok, it buids a static executable against the python runtime and extensions, including the c ones. It doesn't against libc, lubutil, etc. But aren't those almost always installed ? If it's a real problem on your machines, it's PR time !
DonbunEf7 9y ago
Nuitka has not been able to compile any Python code I've written myself. It's not used because it's incredibly limited.
- std_throwaway 9y ago
  When was the last time you've tried it?

rhizome 9y ago

Is it a perl2exe descendant, packing the interpreter into an executable wrapper?

sametmax 9y ago
No it compiles python to C, then compile the C.

std_throwaway 9y ago

This is different from the package that I've tested (PyInstaller or py2exe). Is Nuikta compatible with numpy, pickle, etc? I remember that numpy was very problematic with compilers like pypy for a long time.

sametmax 9y ago
In my experience it's easier and more reliable than PyInstaller or Py2exe to use, and cross plateform (but no cross compilation). It doesn't pack python files with an executable. It translates the Python code to C then compiles it. Nuikta supports numpy officially, you can even see it in change logs: http://nuitka.net/posts/nuitka-release-0521.html http://nuitka.net/posts/nuitka-release-0521.html I haven't tried pickle.
vram22 9y ago
>This is different from the package that I've tested (PyInstaller or py2exe). In an ancestor comment you say: > A single file several hundred Megabytes in size. Are both points referring to PyInstaller? Asking because I've tried out PyInstaller with small CLI as well as GUI (wxPython) programs, and the resulting EXEs did not reach near that size, IIRC.
- std_throwaway 9y ago
  It was around 150..300 MB if I remember right. Admittedly, I do import a lot of modules. Program startup for me is in the seconds, not milliseconds. I maybe could cut it down 50% or even 80% but then that would cost a few weeks or a few months. Having a quick and robust solution to be implemented in a single week to cut down startup times by that amount would be highly preferable.
  - vram22 9y ago
    Interesting. I see what you mean. That tip that someone else mentioned, IIRC, in this thread, to import modules inside functions that use them, could cut down startup time, but only if those functions are not called at startup, only later during the program's run. But it would not change the EXE size, I guess. I wish Python and all other interpreted languages came with a way to build EXEs from the start. It would be great for deployment.

scrollaway 9y ago

First time I hear about this, and I've looked for alternatives to cxfreeze and its cousins in the past. Any time I see something like this, I feel like I'm hearing about some homeopathic cancer cure. If Nuitka actually does what it says it does, it's solving a big recurrent problem for the Python community, so why is nobody talking about it?

carapace 9y ago
I collect ideas, especially weird and powerful ideas. I've learned not to try to talk about it because of that question: "If foo is so great, why isn't everybody using it?" It's one of the single greatest frustrations of my life. I don't know. I've never made any progress on it. The best you can say is, "Well, that seems to be human nature." The world is full of "magic beans" and most people seem interested in banging their heads against the wall. (Did you know, you can make a 140hp engine that fits in the volume of two stacked pizza boxes and has only one moving part?) Anyhow, Nuitka is great, it does do all that. And the creator is a freakin' saint for putting up with the way he's been treated by the Python community, is my opinion.
- sametmax 9y ago
  Saint is the word given he has be working really seriously at it for 8 years, alone, never complaining, and giving away everything without any recognition.
  - carapace 9y ago
    Bingo.
- sametmax 9y ago
  Also, you should write a blig about those ideas. Or a place where we can share it, but in a non tin foil way / silver bullet way. Eg: after 7 years of having malaria, one tropical disease doctor explained to me that we have been able to cure malaria for years. Generalist doctors usually don't know it because they don't encounter the disease often enough to keep up to date. It's kind of hard pill to swallow given that i always though you had it for life.

svenklemm 9y ago

Does nuitka build a static executable or do you still need to supply shared libraries with the executable?

sametmax 9y ago
It builds a static executable if you pass it the --standalone option.
- jwilk 9y ago
  No, it doesn't. $ echo 'print "Hello world"' > hello.py $ nuitka --standalone hello.py $ ldd hello.dist/hello.exe linux-gate.so.1 (0xf7f94000) libdl.so.2 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2 (0xf7895000) libpython2.7.so.1.0 => /home/jwilk/hello.dist/libpython2.7.so.1.0 (0xf7508000) libc.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (0xf732f000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xf7f96000) libz.so.1 => /home/jwilk/hello.dist/libz.so.1 (0xf7310000) libpthread.so.0 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0 (0xf72f1000) libutil.so.1 => /home/jwilk/hello.dist/libutil.so.1 (0xf72ed000) libm.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libm.so.6 (0xf71eb000)
  - sametmax 9y ago
    Ok, it buids a static executable against the python runtime and extensions, including the c ones. It doesn't against libc, lubutil, etc. But aren't those almost always installed ? If it's a real problem on your machines, it's PR time !

DonbunEf7 9y ago

Nuitka has not been able to compile any Python code I've written myself. It's not used because it's incredibly limited.

std_throwaway 9y ago
When was the last time you've tried it?