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> It is, though. Insurance is expensive, but it's not a scam. That money tends to go mostly for care, overall. Someone has to pay it. Yes but the govt already

by nickjj 9y ago

> It is, though. Insurance is expensive, but it's not a scam. That money tends to go mostly for care, overall. Someone has to pay it. Yes but the govt already takes a bit over 40% of my income (I run my own business). I'm certainly paying my share. It's not my fault that the govt would rather use those funds on non-healthcare related things. I'm all for a true universal health care for everyone, but if you're already taxing me so hard, I shouldn't have even more taken away from me. That's unreasonable. > Because someone has to pay it, and you didn't! I would bet anything the amount I paid in penalties is more than what most people pay to be insured just going by the average income in the US compared to the "assisted pay" discount you get for having a certain bracket of income. I don't even make that much either. I'm in the "typical software developer income" bracket, but I'm self employed so I have no help or matching from an employer. I'm essentially paying both halves with no benefits (health or retirement). And to top it off, if I get into medical trouble I'm left hanging.

uberduber 9y ago
FYI, there's a loophole out of the penalty. Don't know anyone who's tried it, but if you get a disconnect notice from the utility you get three months I think, so just time your payments accordingly.
waisbrot 9y ago
> I'm certainly paying my share. That seems very hard to determine, especially as a business owner. What's the value to you of safe shipping lanes to get raw materials to you? What's the value of employees not worrying about being executed by warlords? What's the value of having US customers who can afford your products? I don't think you can say what your "fair share" is as some limit for what you pay. Rather, the amount the businesses are taxed has to be a matter of pragmatism. > I would bet anything the amount I paid in penalties is more than what most people pay to be insured One would hope so. That is the point of penalties, after all.
- nickjj 9y ago
  > That seems very hard to determine, especially as a business owner. What's the value to you of safe shipping lanes to get raw materials to you? What's the value of employees not worrying about being executed by warlords? What's the value of having US customers who can afford your products? I am a freelance web developer and online teacher. I have no employees or physical goods. About half of my customers are from the US and I am in a hyper competitive world wide market.

by nickjj 9y ago

uberduber 9y ago

FYI, there's a loophole out of the penalty. Don't know anyone who's tried it, but if you get a disconnect notice from the utility you get three months I think, so just time your payments accordingly.

waisbrot 9y ago

> I'm certainly paying my share. That seems very hard to determine, especially as a business owner. What's the value to you of safe shipping lanes to get raw materials to you? What's the value of employees not worrying about being executed by warlords? What's the value of having US customers who can afford your products? I don't think you can say what your "fair share" is as some limit for what you pay. Rather, the amount the businesses are taxed has to be a matter of pragmatism. > I would bet anything the amount I paid in penalties is more than what most people pay to be insured One would hope so. That is the point of penalties, after all.

nickjj 9y ago
> That seems very hard to determine, especially as a business owner. What's the value to you of safe shipping lanes to get raw materials to you? What's the value of employees not worrying about being executed by warlords? What's the value of having US customers who can afford your products? I am a freelance web developer and online teacher. I have no employees or physical goods. About half of my customers are from the US and I am in a hyper competitive world wide market.