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Exactly this was proposed last year in a bill with a democrat sponsor. But right now H1b is basically the only way to get hired as an immigrant. If you made it

Exactly this was proposed last year in a bill with a democrat sponsor. But right now H1b is basically the only way to get hired as an immigrant. If you made it wage-prioritized there would be basically no way to get an h1b for entry level jobs, which would really suck for new graduates. http://alexyar.tumblr.com/post/156649015342/anyway-heres-the-proposed-legislation-the http://alexyar.tumblr.com/post/156649015342/anyway-heres-the...

tiff_seattle 8y ago
H-1B shouldn't be used for entry level positions though. It should be used for positions that cannot be filled by the local workforce.
- dingo_bat 8y ago
  So no jobs for newly graduated students who are not citizens?
  - tiff_seattle 8y ago
    If they don't have a skill that employers are willing to pay top dollar for, then no. H-1B is designed for bringing highly skilled workers into the country. It's not a program for job security for new grads.
    - paxys 8y ago
      Experience is usually worth more than skill. It's pretty stupid to turn away smart young people who you have paid to educate in the best universities in the world.
      - sanxiyn 8y ago
        Yes, it is stupid, I wholeheartedly agree it should be fixed, but I disagree that it should be fixed by H-1B visa.
  - sanxiyn 8y ago
    H-1B is not intended for newly graduated students. For them, there is OPT. You are right OPT is restrictive, but that is best solved by changing OPT.
pmalynin 8y ago
I don't know what you're talking about. As a new graduate, I have a very hefty Data Science offer in the Bay. (Canadian here btw).
- gnulinux 8y ago
  Is it OPT or H1B?
  - nadezhda18 8y ago
    It should be none of them, it should be TN "The nonimmigrant NAFTA Professional (TN) visa allows citizens of Canada and Mexico, as NAFTA professionals, to work in the United States"[0] [0] https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/employment/visas-canadian-mexican-nafta-professional-workers.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/employme...
    - gnulinux 8y ago
      Oh I see. I work on OPT, but am not Mexican or Canadian citizen. I think all STEM majors who studied in an American university have the right to work in US for 3 years in a job very close to what they studied.
diebeforei485 8y ago
This is not true. If you make it wage-prioritized, it will help real employers (VC funded startups as well as big companies), and make life difficult for body-shop employers like the one mentioned in this article. The body-shops are consistently the lowest-paying employers.
gnulinux 8y ago
If you studied in a US university you don't need H1B visa for 3 years. You can work on OPT with F1 visa. However, OPT is very restricted, you job should be very close to what you studied in university and if you didn't study STEM you get only 1 year. That's how I worked in US as Software Engineer after studying Computer Science.
pkaye 8y ago
But H1B is not the answer for entry level jobs. It is for skilled workers.
dragonwriter 8y ago
> But right now H1b is basically the only way to get hired as an immigrant. No, it's not. (It's technically not even a way to be hired as an immigrant, and there are work-based immigrant visas as well.as other work-eligible non-immigrant visas.) > If you made it wage-prioritized there would be basically no way to get an h1b for entry level jobs That's not even theoretically the purpose of the H-1B, and I'm not really convinced we need to import entry level workers. > which would really suck for new graduates. I'm not sure “it would reduce the incentive for US colleges to train foreigners rather than Americans for entry-level jobs in high-demand, high-paying professions in America” is an argument against a policy change.
nadezhda18 8y ago
Also, let's not forget about TN for Canadians and Mexicans. Does not allow to immigrate but you can work w/o problems (lost too many friends to it! they moved to SF) "The nonimmigrant NAFTA Professional (TN) visa allows citizens of Canada and Mexico, as NAFTA professionals, to work in the United States" [0] [0] https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/employment/visas-canadian-mexican-nafta-professional-workers.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/employme...

tiff_seattle 8y ago

H-1B shouldn't be used for entry level positions though. It should be used for positions that cannot be filled by the local workforce.

dingo_bat 8y ago
So no jobs for newly graduated students who are not citizens?
- tiff_seattle 8y ago
  If they don't have a skill that employers are willing to pay top dollar for, then no. H-1B is designed for bringing highly skilled workers into the country. It's not a program for job security for new grads.
  - paxys 8y ago
    Experience is usually worth more than skill. It's pretty stupid to turn away smart young people who you have paid to educate in the best universities in the world.
    - sanxiyn 8y ago
      Yes, it is stupid, I wholeheartedly agree it should be fixed, but I disagree that it should be fixed by H-1B visa.
- sanxiyn 8y ago
  H-1B is not intended for newly graduated students. For them, there is OPT. You are right OPT is restrictive, but that is best solved by changing OPT.

pmalynin 8y ago

I don't know what you're talking about. As a new graduate, I have a very hefty Data Science offer in the Bay. (Canadian here btw).

gnulinux 8y ago
Is it OPT or H1B?
- nadezhda18 8y ago
  It should be none of them, it should be TN "The nonimmigrant NAFTA Professional (TN) visa allows citizens of Canada and Mexico, as NAFTA professionals, to work in the United States"[0] [0] https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/employment/visas-canadian-mexican-nafta-professional-workers.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/employme...
  - gnulinux 8y ago
    Oh I see. I work on OPT, but am not Mexican or Canadian citizen. I think all STEM majors who studied in an American university have the right to work in US for 3 years in a job very close to what they studied.

diebeforei485 8y ago

This is not true. If you make it wage-prioritized, it will help real employers (VC funded startups as well as big companies), and make life difficult for body-shop employers like the one mentioned in this article. The body-shops are consistently the lowest-paying employers.

gnulinux 8y ago

If you studied in a US university you don't need H1B visa for 3 years. You can work on OPT with F1 visa. However, OPT is very restricted, you job should be very close to what you studied in university and if you didn't study STEM you get only 1 year. That's how I worked in US as Software Engineer after studying Computer Science.

pkaye 8y ago

But H1B is not the answer for entry level jobs. It is for skilled workers.

dragonwriter 8y ago

> But right now H1b is basically the only way to get hired as an immigrant. No, it's not. (It's technically not even a way to be hired as an immigrant, and there are work-based immigrant visas as well.as other work-eligible non-immigrant visas.) > If you made it wage-prioritized there would be basically no way to get an h1b for entry level jobs That's not even theoretically the purpose of the H-1B, and I'm not really convinced we need to import entry level workers. > which would really suck for new graduates. I'm not sure “it would reduce the incentive for US colleges to train foreigners rather than Americans for entry-level jobs in high-demand, high-paying professions in America” is an argument against a policy change.

nadezhda18 8y ago

Also, let's not forget about TN for Canadians and Mexicans. Does not allow to immigrate but you can work w/o problems (lost too many friends to it! they moved to SF) "The nonimmigrant NAFTA Professional (TN) visa allows citizens of Canada and Mexico, as NAFTA professionals, to work in the United States" [0] [0] https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/employment/visas-canadian-mexican-nafta-professional-workers.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/employme...