Thinking there is this idea on this thread that you are committing violence or harming systems by "hacking back," when really you are following a trail and pick

Thinking there is this idea on this thread that you are committing violence or harming systems by "hacking back," when really you are following a trail and picking up crumbs of identifying data the attackers left behind, through systems that were neglected in the first place. In regard to the idea that you need the law to "punish," people and that defense is against the "rule of law," that concept only applies to violence, and almost exclusively to the monopoly on violence we grant the state as part of that rule of law. Is it undermining the rule of law to chase a thief across private property? In some pedantic universe sure, but not by any standard of reasonable conduct. Shrill objections to vigilantism are not applicable to collecting counter intelligence on people who have attacked your business and property. No doubt there is legal risk from agencies and institutions who are rightly humiliated by their own powerlessness, but moralizing about vigilantism on this issue is un-serious.