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You can't sleep in an RV? Isn't that the point of a vehicle like that? So long as they aren't dumping their tanks inappropriately, what's the big deal?

patcheudor 8y ago
As I understand it, a few people were regularly parking their RV's in front of people's homes for weeks on end and in rare cases being rude to local residents. It only takes a few bad apples to ruin it for everyone. Apparently this has been a problem in Portland as well: https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/it-shook-me-portland-man-says-he-was-attacked-for-reporting-homeless-rv/277-508166309 https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/it-shook-me-portland-man-s...
- pebcakID10T 8y ago
  I believe there was already a law stating that you couldn't park in the same place for extended periods of time. Different laws could be written to make sure obnoxious behavior is preventable without forcing people out on the street.
- bickfordb 8y ago
  In Portland it's already illegal to park an RV on the street in residential areas.
pebcakID10T 8y ago
I honestly don't think it is a big deal. It's far preferable to having people sleeping in tents, which this law basically forces an RV dweller to do. It's a horrible law and I hope it gets repealed.
- dragonwriter 8y ago
  > I honestly don't think it is a big deal. It's far preferable to having people sleeping in tents, which this law basically forces an RV dweller to do. It's presumably already illegal to sleep in tents in residential parking spaces (or, without the owner's permission, on the actual residential property), without even the time-of-day restrictions applicable to this rule, so I don't think it's accurate to say this forces them to sleep in tents. It forces them to sleep either at different places than LA residential neighborhoods or at different times.
danceparty 8y ago
Quite simply, homeowners do not want homeless people in front of their abodes, and will vote to make sure it remains that way. What would you do if put in the position of said homeowner? It becomes a more difficult decision when its literally on your doorstep
- falcolas 8y ago
  Enforce residential only parking where its appropriate? EDIT: Which seems to be almost exactly what they did, per TFA.
- namlem 8y ago
  I would lobby the government to build more affordable housing, not to pass laws criminalizing poverty. That just pushed the problem somewhere else.
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dragonwriter 8y ago
> You can't sleep in an RV? During certain hours while parked in a residential area. > Isn't that the point of a vehicle like that? Vehicular camping is the point of an RV, sure. OTOH, overnight camping isn't the point of a residential parking space.
- hawkice 8y ago
  >> You can't sleep in an RV? > During certain hours while parked in a residential area. The hours you are talking about are night hours.
  - dragonwriter 8y ago
    > The hours you are talking about are night hours. They have some overlap, but night hours generally begin before 9pm and end before 6am. But, in any case, it is possible to sleep during non-night hours. It may be less desirable, but banning sleeping in vehicles in residential parking spaces in night hours is different than banning sleeping in vehicles in residential areas which in turn is different than banning sleeping in vehicles.
    - woodandsteel 8y ago
      What if the person has a job during the day and needs to sleep at night?
      - dragonwriter 8y ago
        Then they are clearly not able to use on-street vehicular camping in a residential area under the law. That doesn't make the law equivalent to a blanket ban on vehicular camping, or even a blanket ban on such camping in residential areas.
  - vorg 8y ago
    Those affected will get jobs restocking supermarket shelves or as security guards during the night. If they can't find such jobs, they will make far more noise in their RV during normal sleeping hours than they would if they were sleeping, disturbing the surrounding neighborhood more.

patcheudor 8y ago

As I understand it, a few people were regularly parking their RV's in front of people's homes for weeks on end and in rare cases being rude to local residents. It only takes a few bad apples to ruin it for everyone. Apparently this has been a problem in Portland as well: https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/it-shook-me-portland-man-says-he-was-attacked-for-reporting-homeless-rv/277-508166309 https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/it-shook-me-portland-man-s...

pebcakID10T 8y ago
I believe there was already a law stating that you couldn't park in the same place for extended periods of time. Different laws could be written to make sure obnoxious behavior is preventable without forcing people out on the street.
bickfordb 8y ago
In Portland it's already illegal to park an RV on the street in residential areas.

pebcakID10T 8y ago

I honestly don't think it is a big deal. It's far preferable to having people sleeping in tents, which this law basically forces an RV dweller to do. It's a horrible law and I hope it gets repealed.

dragonwriter 8y ago
> I honestly don't think it is a big deal. It's far preferable to having people sleeping in tents, which this law basically forces an RV dweller to do. It's presumably already illegal to sleep in tents in residential parking spaces (or, without the owner's permission, on the actual residential property), without even the time-of-day restrictions applicable to this rule, so I don't think it's accurate to say this forces them to sleep in tents. It forces them to sleep either at different places than LA residential neighborhoods or at different times.

danceparty 8y ago

Quite simply, homeowners do not want homeless people in front of their abodes, and will vote to make sure it remains that way. What would you do if put in the position of said homeowner? It becomes a more difficult decision when its literally on your doorstep

falcolas 8y ago
Enforce residential only parking where its appropriate? EDIT: Which seems to be almost exactly what they did, per TFA.
namlem 8y ago
I would lobby the government to build more affordable housing, not to pass laws criminalizing poverty. That just pushed the problem somewhere else.

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dragonwriter 8y ago

> You can't sleep in an RV? During certain hours while parked in a residential area. > Isn't that the point of a vehicle like that? Vehicular camping is the point of an RV, sure. OTOH, overnight camping isn't the point of a residential parking space.

hawkice 8y ago
>> You can't sleep in an RV? > During certain hours while parked in a residential area. The hours you are talking about are night hours.
- dragonwriter 8y ago
  > The hours you are talking about are night hours. They have some overlap, but night hours generally begin before 9pm and end before 6am. But, in any case, it is possible to sleep during non-night hours. It may be less desirable, but banning sleeping in vehicles in residential parking spaces in night hours is different than banning sleeping in vehicles in residential areas which in turn is different than banning sleeping in vehicles.
  - woodandsteel 8y ago
    What if the person has a job during the day and needs to sleep at night?
    - dragonwriter 8y ago
      Then they are clearly not able to use on-street vehicular camping in a residential area under the law. That doesn't make the law equivalent to a blanket ban on vehicular camping, or even a blanket ban on such camping in residential areas.
- vorg 8y ago
  Those affected will get jobs restocking supermarket shelves or as security guards during the night. If they can't find such jobs, they will make far more noise in their RV during normal sleeping hours than they would if they were sleeping, disturbing the surrounding neighborhood more.