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> When you blame a poor person for not getting a better job, you accept that while their job is necessary, whoever does it should be poor. But is that the case

by tudelo 8y ago

> When you blame a poor person for not getting a better job, you accept that while their job is necessary, whoever does it should be poor. But is that the case? Maybe there are too many people able to do the job. Maybe they accept lower wages because it is the job they want. Maybe there are too many people who want to do the job. That doesn't mean that anyone doing the job should be poor, but it doesn't make sense to pay more for a worker of the same capacity when you can pay less. So, maybe a worker who can do job X should really work on getting a better (read: higher paying) job. Why does that translate to "anyone doing that job should be poor"? Also, the worker is not necessarily necessary at the given job strictly speaking. There are plenty of reasons to not do something, but really there is quite a lot of autonomy afforded to people in the US to improve their job standing... I am not against living wages as you state later in your post but that is somewhat a separate issue.

ItsMe000001 8y ago
> > When you blame a poor person for not getting a better job, you accept that while their job is necessary, whoever does it should be poor. > But is that the case? Yes. > Maybe they accept lower wages because it is the job they want. Did you read the quote? It is about what other people say to the worker. I feel like you did not read my comment, because your next sentence is > Maybe there are too many people who want to do the job. My whole post addressed that from beginning to end. Sometimes I have no words when I read replies to my comments. It feels... so futile to try to have a reasonable discussion when people completely ignore anything I say (write). . I already accepted that other people may feel differently when I inserted: > (that I like, obviously other people can come up with other options including "everything is fine as it is) because one thing is definitely true: This is not a law of nature. You can have a society where every Sunday a baby is thrown into a volcano (reference to somewhat similar recent headline from a finding in Peru, only 550 years or so ago, of children with their hearts cut out). The universe could not care less. It is completely up to what you/we want. You can certainly have a society like the current US of A, the richest country on the planet - in both space as well as time, simultaneously having 3rd world conditions for a sizable part of the population: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/dec/15/america-extreme-poverty-un-special-rapporteur https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/dec/15/america-extr...

by tudelo 8y ago

ItsMe000001 8y ago

> > When you blame a poor person for not getting a better job, you accept that while their job is necessary, whoever does it should be poor. > But is that the case? Yes. > Maybe they accept lower wages because it is the job they want. Did you read the quote? It is about what other people say to the worker. I feel like you did not read my comment, because your next sentence is > Maybe there are too many people who want to do the job. My whole post addressed that from beginning to end. Sometimes I have no words when I read replies to my comments. It feels... so futile to try to have a reasonable discussion when people completely ignore anything I say (write). . I already accepted that other people may feel differently when I inserted: > (that I like, obviously other people can come up with other options including "everything is fine as it is) because one thing is definitely true: This is not a law of nature. You can have a society where every Sunday a baby is thrown into a volcano (reference to somewhat similar recent headline from a finding in Peru, only 550 years or so ago, of children with their hearts cut out). The universe could not care less. It is completely up to what you/we want. You can certainly have a society like the current US of A, the richest country on the planet - in both space as well as time, simultaneously having 3rd world conditions for a sizable part of the population: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/dec/15/america-extreme-poverty-un-special-rapporteur https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/dec/15/america-extr...