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Does this affect "contract to hire" positions, where companies "try before you buy"? Further, can companies still get contractors through a contractor agency,

Does this affect "contract to hire" positions, where companies "try before you buy"? Further, can companies still get contractors through a contractor agency, assuming the workers are employees of that agency?

simcop2387 9y ago
I doubt it'll affect agencies, since generally there's not a contract with the person but with the agency. No idea about the first case, this is definitely going to result in a lot of billable time for lawyers.
- Shivetya 9y ago
  I am going to assume agencies will be the biggest benefactor here. Would be interesting to see if companies like uber/lyft don't spin off agency type setups to isolate the company from the service providers.
r00fus 9y ago
This is how my wife joined her current (mega corp) employer with whom she's been with for years. In her case she was on an educational visa (with employment rights ) at the time of the contract to hire. She had sought employment for months after completing her degree so was really not in the best position to negotiate.
- derekp7 9y ago
  Similar store with me, except I was 4 months into a layoff when I took a 6 month contract-to-hire position. They made me permanent after about 3 weeks (it is amazing how easy it is to impress an employer when you've had a 4 month forced vacation), and been there 8 years. Never would have applied if I had been working full time somewhere else though.
greglindahl 9y ago
This does sound like it would affect "try before you buy", unless the contractor has significant other work. Does anyone actually do "try before you buy" in California? It doesn't work in a hot job market, and the job market is currently hot.
- justboxing 9y ago
  > Does anyone actually do "try before you buy" in California? Yes. It's called C2H - Contract to Hire. Over 2,000 Tech Jobs in CA that are C2H on Dice.com https://www.dice.com/jobs/advancedResult.html?for_one=&for_all=&for_exact=&for_none=&for_jt=&for_com=&for_loc=California&jtype=C2H+Independent+OR+C2H+W2&sort=relevance&radius=30&jtype=C2H+Independent+OR+C2H+W2 https://www.dice.com/jobs/advancedResult.html?for_one=&for_a...
  - greglindahl 9y ago
    Just because there are openings doesn't mean it is frequently done!
    - justherefortart 9y ago
      I had several places ask me if I'd do contract to hire. I said then yes, I'll do it for a set period of time at $250/hr, and it can't be canceled by either party until fruition. To my surprise, they didn't like that offer. Contract to hire is a fucking joke.
      - greglindahl 9y ago
        Any candidate with a real job offer and a contract-to-hire offer is likely to prefer the real job offer.
- scrumbledober 9y ago
  I'm currently working as a contract to hire in SF
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s73v3r_ 9y ago
An agency would be a "corp to corp" contract, so that should not be affected by this ruling, provided the person is an employee of the contracting corp.

simcop2387 9y ago

I doubt it'll affect agencies, since generally there's not a contract with the person but with the agency. No idea about the first case, this is definitely going to result in a lot of billable time for lawyers.

Shivetya 9y ago
I am going to assume agencies will be the biggest benefactor here. Would be interesting to see if companies like uber/lyft don't spin off agency type setups to isolate the company from the service providers.

r00fus 9y ago

This is how my wife joined her current (mega corp) employer with whom she's been with for years. In her case she was on an educational visa (with employment rights ) at the time of the contract to hire. She had sought employment for months after completing her degree so was really not in the best position to negotiate.

derekp7 9y ago
Similar store with me, except I was 4 months into a layoff when I took a 6 month contract-to-hire position. They made me permanent after about 3 weeks (it is amazing how easy it is to impress an employer when you've had a 4 month forced vacation), and been there 8 years. Never would have applied if I had been working full time somewhere else though.

greglindahl 9y ago

This does sound like it would affect "try before you buy", unless the contractor has significant other work. Does anyone actually do "try before you buy" in California? It doesn't work in a hot job market, and the job market is currently hot.

justboxing 9y ago
> Does anyone actually do "try before you buy" in California? Yes. It's called C2H - Contract to Hire. Over 2,000 Tech Jobs in CA that are C2H on Dice.com https://www.dice.com/jobs/advancedResult.html?for_one=&for_all=&for_exact=&for_none=&for_jt=&for_com=&for_loc=California&jtype=C2H+Independent+OR+C2H+W2&sort=relevance&radius=30&jtype=C2H+Independent+OR+C2H+W2 https://www.dice.com/jobs/advancedResult.html?for_one=&for_a...
- greglindahl 9y ago
  Just because there are openings doesn't mean it is frequently done!
  - justherefortart 9y ago
    I had several places ask me if I'd do contract to hire. I said then yes, I'll do it for a set period of time at $250/hr, and it can't be canceled by either party until fruition. To my surprise, they didn't like that offer. Contract to hire is a fucking joke.
    - greglindahl 9y ago
      Any candidate with a real job offer and a contract-to-hire offer is likely to prefer the real job offer.
scrumbledober 9y ago
I'm currently working as a contract to hire in SF

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s73v3r_ 9y ago

An agency would be a "corp to corp" contract, so that should not be affected by this ruling, provided the person is an employee of the contracting corp.