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> It says something when tech-savvy people agree to sacrifice time and effort and probably profits to protect their users from their own software. Nothing abou

> It says something when tech-savvy people agree to sacrifice time and effort and probably profits to protect their users from their own software. Nothing about the gdpr solves the problems of companies having insecure systems that _leak_ user data. I also don't believe that data about me is data I own. To me, the gdpr feels ineffective at the real issues causing me harm (leaked info) and also a giant burden on companies that fundamentally changes how the industry has worked, but in a way that quite frankly, doesn't make any sense to me. The data about my order isn't my data to control.

aninhumer 9y ago
>Nothing about the gdpr solves the problems of companies having insecure systems It doesn't directly prevent insecure systems, but discouraging companies from storing information they don't need and transferring it on to third parties for whatever reason they feel like massively reduces most people's exposure to this risk. >The data about my order isn't my data to control. If you believe people have a right to privacy, then you believe they have a right to decide who gets to know what information about them.
- jimktrains2 9y ago
  > If you believe people have a right to privacy, then you believe they have a right to decide who gets to know what information about them. That's not even remotely true. A right to privacy does not mean I get to control the actions of others.
  - riffraff 9y ago
    That's not what's grandparent wrote, it wrote that you have a right to know what is done with your data. Nothing restricts what others can do with them, they just have to state it so I can decide whether that's ok for me or not. The lack of this clearly defies the right to privacy, just consider the extreme case of "I'll dump your data on GitHub next week"
YeGoblynQueenne 9y ago
>> I also don't believe that data about me is data I own. If I place a camera in my house so that it's recording what's going on in your bathroom- is that data you would like to be kept private, or not?
s73v3r_ 9y ago
"Nothing about the gdpr solves the problems of companies having insecure systems that _leak_ user data." Requiring disclosure of a breach within 3 days of it happening, as opposed to the several months that is commonplace now, is a big help. "I also don't believe that data about me is data I own." Everyone disagrees on this point. Right now, Europe says the opposite. "also a giant burden on companies that fundamentally changes how the industry has worked" Good. Currently the industry is geared to suck up every last bit of user data like a vacuum, regardless of whether it's actually needed, so they can sell it. This has gone on for far too long, and I'm glad to see the industry hopefully move away from it.

aninhumer 9y ago

>Nothing about the gdpr solves the problems of companies having insecure systems It doesn't directly prevent insecure systems, but discouraging companies from storing information they don't need and transferring it on to third parties for whatever reason they feel like massively reduces most people's exposure to this risk. >The data about my order isn't my data to control. If you believe people have a right to privacy, then you believe they have a right to decide who gets to know what information about them.

jimktrains2 9y ago
> If you believe people have a right to privacy, then you believe they have a right to decide who gets to know what information about them. That's not even remotely true. A right to privacy does not mean I get to control the actions of others.
- riffraff 9y ago
  That's not what's grandparent wrote, it wrote that you have a right to know what is done with your data. Nothing restricts what others can do with them, they just have to state it so I can decide whether that's ok for me or not. The lack of this clearly defies the right to privacy, just consider the extreme case of "I'll dump your data on GitHub next week"

YeGoblynQueenne 9y ago

>> I also don't believe that data about me is data I own. If I place a camera in my house so that it's recording what's going on in your bathroom- is that data you would like to be kept private, or not?

s73v3r_ 9y ago

"Nothing about the gdpr solves the problems of companies having insecure systems that _leak_ user data." Requiring disclosure of a breach within 3 days of it happening, as opposed to the several months that is commonplace now, is a big help. "I also don't believe that data about me is data I own." Everyone disagrees on this point. Right now, Europe says the opposite. "also a giant burden on companies that fundamentally changes how the industry has worked" Good. Currently the industry is geared to suck up every last bit of user data like a vacuum, regardless of whether it's actually needed, so they can sell it. This has gone on for far too long, and I'm glad to see the industry hopefully move away from it.