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And how you will bring those missile on enemy territory? Also dogfight is not a thing for many years, modern jets can also use missiles..

greglindahl 9y ago
There are missiles fired from the ground which have long range. Since they don't have to be carried by a plane, they can be bigger. Or if you really want missiles fired from a plane, they can be fired from an unmanned plane.
- riku_iki 9y ago
  > There are missiles fired from the ground which have long range. Since they don't have to be carried by a plane, they can be bigger. Current generation of US surface to air missiles has range of about 200 miles, which is not that much. > Or if you really want missiles fired from a plane, they can be fired from an unmanned plane. Maybe, but what exactly you propose? Remove pilot from F-35? Or build something completely new?
  - greglindahl 9y ago
    My suggestion is to spend hundreds of billions of dollars on longer-range SAMs and more fragile, unmanned, missile-carrying aircraft cheaper than the F35. Sorry if this isn't obvious, I've seen lots of other people (including people in the military) suggest the same thing.
    - riku_iki 9y ago
      Ok, let's assume your aircraft succeeded to gain air superiority, now you need to do actual bombing of enemy territory with air defense. What now? F-35 has some edge by being stealthy. It can track and target moving targets, it can do CAS. Will your fragile aircraft survive in such conditions?
      - greglindahl 9y ago
        Do I get to include the effect of having a lot more stuff because I didn't have to pay for manned F-35s? Also, do I get to track moving targets from low Earth orbit using small-ish satellites, or is that right out?
        riku_iki 9y ago
        Your very aggressive conclusions are based on very unclear assumptions.
        greglindahl 9y ago
        I didn’t conclude anything! I’m just suggesting alternatives to the status quo.
nordsieck 9y ago
> Also dogfight is not a thing for many years We don't know if it's a thing. The past 40 years has been 1st and 2nd world nations showing how much of an advantage 2+ generations of technology brings.

greglindahl 9y ago

There are missiles fired from the ground which have long range. Since they don't have to be carried by a plane, they can be bigger. Or if you really want missiles fired from a plane, they can be fired from an unmanned plane.

riku_iki 9y ago
> There are missiles fired from the ground which have long range. Since they don't have to be carried by a plane, they can be bigger. Current generation of US surface to air missiles has range of about 200 miles, which is not that much. > Or if you really want missiles fired from a plane, they can be fired from an unmanned plane. Maybe, but what exactly you propose? Remove pilot from F-35? Or build something completely new?
- greglindahl 9y ago
  My suggestion is to spend hundreds of billions of dollars on longer-range SAMs and more fragile, unmanned, missile-carrying aircraft cheaper than the F35. Sorry if this isn't obvious, I've seen lots of other people (including people in the military) suggest the same thing.
  - riku_iki 9y ago
    Ok, let's assume your aircraft succeeded to gain air superiority, now you need to do actual bombing of enemy territory with air defense. What now? F-35 has some edge by being stealthy. It can track and target moving targets, it can do CAS. Will your fragile aircraft survive in such conditions?
    - greglindahl 9y ago
      Do I get to include the effect of having a lot more stuff because I didn't have to pay for manned F-35s? Also, do I get to track moving targets from low Earth orbit using small-ish satellites, or is that right out?
      - riku_iki 9y ago
        Your very aggressive conclusions are based on very unclear assumptions.
        greglindahl 9y ago
        I didn’t conclude anything! I’m just suggesting alternatives to the status quo.

nordsieck 9y ago

> Also dogfight is not a thing for many years We don't know if it's a thing. The past 40 years has been 1st and 2nd world nations showing how much of an advantage 2+ generations of technology brings.