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'beautiful soft landing' ? really? at the beginning of the video she said the capsule will touch the ground at 1-2 mph speed because the rockets will come on k

by elvirs 8y ago

'beautiful soft landing' ? really? at the beginning of the video she said the capsule will touch the ground at 1-2 mph speed because the rockets will come on kicking up dust and all. no visible dust and speed went from constant 16-17 mph in last 5 seconds to 0. Did the rockets fail?

rory096 8y ago
As she said, it happens in the last milliseconds. You can see the cloud of dust kicked up just before impact at 49:00 in the video — that the speed reduction didn't make it to the on-screen indicator is probably more a reflection of the short time window than the rockets failing. Compare to the nominal landing at 1:14 in this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSDHM6iuogI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSDHM6iuogI
- elvirs 8y ago
  oh ok yeah can see it better in this video. thanks
- plicense 8y ago
  Pardon me for the stupid question, but how is bringing the speed down to 0 milliseconds before landing by firing the rocket thrusters different from just letting the capsule hit the ground? I thought the thrusters were there to make the passengers not feel the inertia due to sudden arrest of speed from 16-17mph to 0mph. Firing the thrusters milliseconds before landing seems to have the same effect as just letting the capsule hit the ground? Or is it to protect the capsule itself?
  - kevan 8y ago
    I'm a bit rusty on my physics, but the general idea is that with both methods the total impulse (force over a time interval) is the same. The capsule goes from 16mph to 0mph. But, if you let the ground stop you, you end up with all of the energy transfer in a few milliseconds. Because the time is so short, the force spikes to crazy high levels. This breaks equipment and people. The rockets firing spread out that force over a longer period of time. For example (all numbers made up): Time the ground takes to stop you: 25ms Time rockets fire before touchdown: 100ms Landing capsule weight: 2000kg Impulse needed to stop capsule: 7.15264m/s * 2000kg = 14300Ns Assuming in both cases the force is evenly applied over the time period... Force from the ground stopping you: 14300Ns / 25ms = 572,000N Force from the rockets + the ground: 14300Ns / (100ms + 25ms) = 115,000N

by elvirs 8y ago

rory096 8y ago

As she said, it happens in the last milliseconds. You can see the cloud of dust kicked up just before impact at 49:00 in the video — that the speed reduction didn't make it to the on-screen indicator is probably more a reflection of the short time window than the rockets failing. Compare to the nominal landing at 1:14 in this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSDHM6iuogI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSDHM6iuogI

elvirs 8y ago
oh ok yeah can see it better in this video. thanks
plicense 8y ago
Pardon me for the stupid question, but how is bringing the speed down to 0 milliseconds before landing by firing the rocket thrusters different from just letting the capsule hit the ground? I thought the thrusters were there to make the passengers not feel the inertia due to sudden arrest of speed from 16-17mph to 0mph. Firing the thrusters milliseconds before landing seems to have the same effect as just letting the capsule hit the ground? Or is it to protect the capsule itself?
- kevan 8y ago
  I'm a bit rusty on my physics, but the general idea is that with both methods the total impulse (force over a time interval) is the same. The capsule goes from 16mph to 0mph. But, if you let the ground stop you, you end up with all of the energy transfer in a few milliseconds. Because the time is so short, the force spikes to crazy high levels. This breaks equipment and people. The rockets firing spread out that force over a longer period of time. For example (all numbers made up): Time the ground takes to stop you: 25ms Time rockets fire before touchdown: 100ms Landing capsule weight: 2000kg Impulse needed to stop capsule: 7.15264m/s * 2000kg = 14300Ns Assuming in both cases the force is evenly applied over the time period... Force from the ground stopping you: 14300Ns / 25ms = 572,000N Force from the rockets + the ground: 14300Ns / (100ms + 25ms) = 115,000N