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Wow, they used a picture I took of my remote office for the 'Yeah My Job Lets Me Travel' section. I don't know if I feel good or bad about that...

jstanley 8y ago
Hah, what a coincidence. That's the same picture I took of my remote office!
- pjc50 8y ago
  This is the best joke on HN I've seen all day.
  - davidkuhta 8y ago
    Hah, what a coincidence as well. This is the best joke on HN I've seen all day.
fatjokes 8y ago
Did they have your permission? Because they explicitly say that the difference between them and catfishing is that they have permission...
- tylerlastovich 8y ago
  I posted the picture on Unsplash, so yeah they are free to use it however they wish. I can see that a good amount of the pictures shown are taken from there. In a way sites like Unsplash make the problem they are describing worse. I have seen my travel pictures used on many different IG accounts, sometimes even as the profile pic.
  - cabaalis 8y ago
    I'm glad you get to travel. (no sarcasm!) I wanted to mention though that I am seeing irony in this.
    - tylerlastovich 8y ago
      I definitely get that. People post lifestyle pics to stock photo sites as the ultimate humblebrag; they get that little dopamine hit out of seeing others use their life on websites, posts, etc. I think that is a big reason why all the 'free for any use' websites get so many uploads. I find it much more rewarding than posting to social media.
      - lawnchair_larry 8y ago
        If you are not a photographer, how is this rewarding? I do not understand this epidemic. I can’t imagine caring the least bit about “likes” and it seems like I’m in the minority.
        tylerlastovich 8y ago
        I don't care about likes either. You don't get many likes on a stock photo site even if you are a pro anyway. I got into uploading simply to use them as a photo host, but later it became an outlet for the basic effort I put into being more creative with photography (learning LR). The logic many use is that it is better to upload photos than just have them collect dust. Besides, it is fun to be browsing the web and see pictures you have taken. The reach of Unsplash and other sites is really impressive. My pics are meh quality at best and yet they still have ~60M views. Real photographers have way more than that with one approaching 1B views.
  - wmeredith 8y ago
    You might want to lead with "they used a picture I uploaded to a free use stock photography site" in your original comment.
- vxNsr 8y ago
  The site is satire. they're not selling anything.
- saudioger 8y ago
  Satire is protected by fair use.
  - cabaalis 8y ago
    Don't you have to actually satirize the content being used, though? It would seem that using images to create a satire of something totally separate would require permission.
    - netsharc 8y ago
      You're correct, thinking you're allowed to steal anything just because you're going to put it in a content satirizing something else is such a huge misunderstanding of the law. E.g. you can use melody from a Justin Bieber song to make fun of him/the subject matter of the song, but if you make a video to make fun of Trump and you use Bieber's song as the background music, nope!
      - TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago
        You're not likely to get taken to court though, are you? You would expect to receive a cease and desist letter or a DMCA takedown first, right? If you weren't making any money off it, and it wasn't your intention to make money, and you had no monetisation avenues active, and you only made a handful of infringing media, during a brief period, what's the worst that could happen?
  - balls187 8y ago
    I'm assuming you're talking about US Copyright law. Satire isn't protected by Fair Use. Parodies are. Satire will make a more broad point--in this case, the damaging effects on mental health that social media plays. Any use of copyrighted works won't likely be protected. Parody would be something smaller--like creating a website that looks similar to Instagram, using humor to criticize it.
    - heyyyouu 8y ago
      It actually can be protected by fair use -- it's ruled on a case-by-case basis: http://www.newseuminstitute.org/first-amendment-center/topics/freedom-of-speech-2/arts-first-amendment-overview/parody-satire/ http://www.newseuminstitute.org/first-amendment-center/topic... (scroll to end) You're right in that there is no BLANKET protection, but it has been used for protection before and continues to be.
foota 8y ago
...where do you work?
- tylerlastovich 8y ago
  For my own startup. I quit my corporate life and took a year to tour New Zealand while slowly spinning up/planning everything. More or less stereotypical life-crisis stuff. Obligatory Medium post: https://medium.com/@TylerLastovich/pressing-shuffle-on-life-9881efff84b6 https://medium.com/@TylerLastovich/pressing-shuffle-on-life-...
  - rprime 8y ago
    Oh. I could've written the same post, I am just before buying a ticket somewhere. Would love to get in touch, if that's possible.
    - tylerlastovich 8y ago
      Sure, feel free to message me at tyler(at)lastovich.me.
  - toomanybeersies 8y ago
    I found this quote quite amusing from your article: > I moved from staying in AirBnB’s to hostels and learned so much from travelers living outside of our money-culture I generally prefer to stay in hostels, and even lived in one in Wellington for a year. I find it strange to be descried as "living outside money-culture". I guess a lot of people in the working holiday/backpacker community are though; working to live, rather than living to work.
    - tylerlastovich 8y ago
      A year in a hostel is impressive! In NZ it blew my mind how many people lived very happy lives yet almost never mentioned money, career trajectories, and to a large extent–the internet. I found this really refreshing as I had never been exposed to that kind of thinking before, the polar opposite of startup culture in the US. I specifically remember staying with a group of fruit pickers that were some of the happiest people I have ever met, even though none of them had more than a thousand dollars in the bank.
lucio 8y ago
How did they got photos of my wife's body, and also two of my lovers! I'm pissed. /s
- itronitron 8y ago
  I'm starting to wonder if that is a picture of my heirloom foosball table or someone else's

jstanley 8y ago

Hah, what a coincidence. That's the same picture I took of my remote office!

pjc50 8y ago
This is the best joke on HN I've seen all day.
- davidkuhta 8y ago
  Hah, what a coincidence as well. This is the best joke on HN I've seen all day.

fatjokes 8y ago

Did they have your permission? Because they explicitly say that the difference between them and catfishing is that they have permission...

tylerlastovich 8y ago
I posted the picture on Unsplash, so yeah they are free to use it however they wish. I can see that a good amount of the pictures shown are taken from there. In a way sites like Unsplash make the problem they are describing worse. I have seen my travel pictures used on many different IG accounts, sometimes even as the profile pic.
- cabaalis 8y ago
  I'm glad you get to travel. (no sarcasm!) I wanted to mention though that I am seeing irony in this.
  - tylerlastovich 8y ago
    I definitely get that. People post lifestyle pics to stock photo sites as the ultimate humblebrag; they get that little dopamine hit out of seeing others use their life on websites, posts, etc. I think that is a big reason why all the 'free for any use' websites get so many uploads. I find it much more rewarding than posting to social media.
    - lawnchair_larry 8y ago
      If you are not a photographer, how is this rewarding? I do not understand this epidemic. I can’t imagine caring the least bit about “likes” and it seems like I’m in the minority.
      - tylerlastovich 8y ago
        I don't care about likes either. You don't get many likes on a stock photo site even if you are a pro anyway. I got into uploading simply to use them as a photo host, but later it became an outlet for the basic effort I put into being more creative with photography (learning LR). The logic many use is that it is better to upload photos than just have them collect dust. Besides, it is fun to be browsing the web and see pictures you have taken. The reach of Unsplash and other sites is really impressive. My pics are meh quality at best and yet they still have ~60M views. Real photographers have way more than that with one approaching 1B views.
- wmeredith 8y ago
  You might want to lead with "they used a picture I uploaded to a free use stock photography site" in your original comment.
vxNsr 8y ago
The site is satire. they're not selling anything.
saudioger 8y ago
Satire is protected by fair use.
- cabaalis 8y ago
  Don't you have to actually satirize the content being used, though? It would seem that using images to create a satire of something totally separate would require permission.
  - netsharc 8y ago
    You're correct, thinking you're allowed to steal anything just because you're going to put it in a content satirizing something else is such a huge misunderstanding of the law. E.g. you can use melody from a Justin Bieber song to make fun of him/the subject matter of the song, but if you make a video to make fun of Trump and you use Bieber's song as the background music, nope!
    - TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago
      You're not likely to get taken to court though, are you? You would expect to receive a cease and desist letter or a DMCA takedown first, right? If you weren't making any money off it, and it wasn't your intention to make money, and you had no monetisation avenues active, and you only made a handful of infringing media, during a brief period, what's the worst that could happen?
- balls187 8y ago
  I'm assuming you're talking about US Copyright law. Satire isn't protected by Fair Use. Parodies are. Satire will make a more broad point--in this case, the damaging effects on mental health that social media plays. Any use of copyrighted works won't likely be protected. Parody would be something smaller--like creating a website that looks similar to Instagram, using humor to criticize it.
  - heyyyouu 8y ago
    It actually can be protected by fair use -- it's ruled on a case-by-case basis: http://www.newseuminstitute.org/first-amendment-center/topics/freedom-of-speech-2/arts-first-amendment-overview/parody-satire/ http://www.newseuminstitute.org/first-amendment-center/topic... (scroll to end) You're right in that there is no BLANKET protection, but it has been used for protection before and continues to be.

foota 8y ago

...where do you work?

tylerlastovich 8y ago
For my own startup. I quit my corporate life and took a year to tour New Zealand while slowly spinning up/planning everything. More or less stereotypical life-crisis stuff. Obligatory Medium post: https://medium.com/@TylerLastovich/pressing-shuffle-on-life-9881efff84b6 https://medium.com/@TylerLastovich/pressing-shuffle-on-life-...
- rprime 8y ago
  Oh. I could've written the same post, I am just before buying a ticket somewhere. Would love to get in touch, if that's possible.
  - tylerlastovich 8y ago
    Sure, feel free to message me at tyler(at)lastovich.me.
- toomanybeersies 8y ago
  I found this quote quite amusing from your article: > I moved from staying in AirBnB’s to hostels and learned so much from travelers living outside of our money-culture I generally prefer to stay in hostels, and even lived in one in Wellington for a year. I find it strange to be descried as "living outside money-culture". I guess a lot of people in the working holiday/backpacker community are though; working to live, rather than living to work.
  - tylerlastovich 8y ago
    A year in a hostel is impressive! In NZ it blew my mind how many people lived very happy lives yet almost never mentioned money, career trajectories, and to a large extent–the internet. I found this really refreshing as I had never been exposed to that kind of thinking before, the polar opposite of startup culture in the US. I specifically remember staying with a group of fruit pickers that were some of the happiest people I have ever met, even though none of them had more than a thousand dollars in the bank.

lucio 8y ago

How did they got photos of my wife's body, and also two of my lovers! I'm pissed. /s

itronitron 8y ago
I'm starting to wonder if that is a picture of my heirloom foosball table or someone else's