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Are you familiar with Overtone[1]? I'm no musician, but as a developer I'd think building your own musical abstractions via code would be better than any visual

by jvz 8y ago

Are you familiar with Overtone[1]? I'm no musician, but as a developer I'd think building your own musical abstractions via code would be better than any visual IDE. [1] http://overtone.github.io/ http://overtone.github.io/

adamnemecek 8y ago
I am yes. Would you make the same claim about eg image editing? If not, why not?
- mac01021 8y ago
  Are you talking about photographs?
  - adamnemecek 8y ago
    Or illustrations.
- marci 8y ago
  Others have made it. Probably why you have access to python from Blender. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJZyXqJ6nog https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJZyXqJ6nog https://docs.blender.org/manual/en/dev/editors/python_console.html https://docs.blender.org/manual/en/dev/editors/python_consol...
  - adamnemecek 8y ago
    I'm aware. However the scripting is like an extra feature, not the main interface. The OP was saying that code > UI, however I disagree. It's useful, however not superior.
    - marci 8y ago
      OP was saying that code > UI "for developpers". Something like one of Brett Victor's UI[0] integrated in GIMP would be quite nice for a dev who can draw, or a painter who can code. [0] https://vimeo.com/36579366 https://vimeo.com/36579366 (circa 3 min. mark)
- jvz 8y ago
  Images are inherently visual, and they seem to have more irreducible complexity than music. Music has a lot of structure and repetition that seems like it could benefit from abstraction (as Chris Ford demonstrates with some Bach in this entertaining talk[1]). On the other hand, there are vector graphics editors that let you work in terms of shapes and paths instead of pixels. Would you say you are trying to build the musical equivalent of that? [1] https://www.infoq.com/presentations/music-functional-language https://www.infoq.com/presentations/music-functional-languag...
  - adamnemecek 8y ago
    Yes, I would say that the be vector based editors is a good analogy.

by jvz 8y ago

adamnemecek 8y ago

I am yes. Would you make the same claim about eg image editing? If not, why not?

mac01021 8y ago
Are you talking about photographs?
- adamnemecek 8y ago
  Or illustrations.
marci 8y ago
Others have made it. Probably why you have access to python from Blender. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJZyXqJ6nog https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJZyXqJ6nog https://docs.blender.org/manual/en/dev/editors/python_console.html https://docs.blender.org/manual/en/dev/editors/python_consol...
- adamnemecek 8y ago
  I'm aware. However the scripting is like an extra feature, not the main interface. The OP was saying that code > UI, however I disagree. It's useful, however not superior.
  - marci 8y ago
    OP was saying that code > UI "for developpers". Something like one of Brett Victor's UI[0] integrated in GIMP would be quite nice for a dev who can draw, or a painter who can code. [0] https://vimeo.com/36579366 https://vimeo.com/36579366 (circa 3 min. mark)
jvz 8y ago
Images are inherently visual, and they seem to have more irreducible complexity than music. Music has a lot of structure and repetition that seems like it could benefit from abstraction (as Chris Ford demonstrates with some Bach in this entertaining talk[1]). On the other hand, there are vector graphics editors that let you work in terms of shapes and paths instead of pixels. Would you say you are trying to build the musical equivalent of that? [1] https://www.infoq.com/presentations/music-functional-language https://www.infoq.com/presentations/music-functional-languag...
- adamnemecek 8y ago
  Yes, I would say that the be vector based editors is a good analogy.