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I'm interpreting law as I was taught. And if you're going to question my ethics and morality over my interpretation of the law and sentence, I don't take the wo

by zeusk 9y ago

I'm interpreting law as I was taught. And if you're going to question my ethics and morality over my interpretation of the law and sentence, I don't take the work of others and distribute copies of it while claiming them to be genuinely produced and spend great effort to hide that fact to defraud the buyers while also trying to downplay law enforcement and coach people on withholding information from federal agents to enrich myself. Would his sentence have been more lenient had the value of discs estimated to be $100,000 instead of $700,000? Nope. Would his sentence have been more lenient had he not spent effort to infringe on copyright and attempt to make fakes that are harder to discern? Maybe. Would his sentence have been more lenient had he not actively tried to deceive and defraud those buying the discs from him believing them to be genuinely produced by Microsoft/Dell? Surely. Would he be scot free in this situation had he just shipped a free OS? Definitely, but recycling or reducing waste wasn't his intent as you can see for yourself from his email and bank records. He didn't even spend the minimal effort to inquire with Microsoft if they would help him in pushing more recycled computers with Windows but instead decided all by himself to fly to china to create 20,000+ copies of genuinely sold recovery disks and to sell them as genuine when he clearly knew they weren't while coaching his codefendants to play dumb, suggesting them on evading scrutiny from customs and pressing them to sell more product so he can realize returns on his investment. If that doesn't show criminal intent, I don't know what does.

syshum 9y ago
>>I'm interpreting law as I was taught. And if you're going to question my ethics and morality over my interpretation of the law and sentence The fact that you seem to get your ethics and morality from the law says a lot. I don't, I personally find large segments of the law to be highly immoral and unethical. >Would his sentence have been more lenient had the value of discs estimated to be $100,000 instead of $700,000? Nope. Would his sentence have been more lenient had he not spent effort to infringe on copyright and attempt to make fakes that are harder to discern? Maybe. Ok that may be a factual statement, that has nothing to do with the fact it should not have been a criminal matter in the first place, but a civil matter where only monetary damages would be punishment I believe prison should be reserved for people that are a physical danger to other, not as punishment for harming a corporations profits >He didn't even spend the minimal effort to inquire with Microsoft if they would help him in pushing more recycled computers with Windows They would for $25 per computer, That is MS double dipping method for recyclers to force them to purchase a new license for a computer that was already licensed by the OEM at the time of manufacturer >If that doesn't show criminal intent, I don't know what does. Again you are talking about the law, I am talking about ethics, surely you to not believe all thing that are illegal are unethical and that all thing that are legal are ethical? If you do believe that I return to my original statement in that you have a completely screwed set of ethics and morality
- zeusk 9y ago
  > Again you are talking about the law, I am talking about ethics, surely you to not believe all thing that are illegal are unethical and that all thing that are legal are ethical? If you do believe that I return to my original statement in that you have a completely screwed set of ethics and morality > The fact that you seem to get your ethics and morality from the law says a lot. I don't, I personally find large segments of the law to be highly immoral and unethical. As much as you'd like, the judicial system doesn't work on ethics as judged by you. I hope you understand the functionality of the judicial system before making such broad statements about it. > The fact that you seem to get your ethics and morality from the law says a lot. I don't, but I also don't let my own feelings affect my interpretation of law. > Ok that may be a factual statement, that has nothing to do with the fact it should not have been a criminal matter in the first place, but a civil matter where only monetary damages would be punishment Do you know what the difference is between civil and criminal law? It doesn't appear so. > I believe prison should be reserved for people that are a physical danger to other, not as punishment for harming a corporations profits So do I to a certain degree, but you must first understand that the corporations comprise of people like you and me and not some evil mind CEO who eats all the profits. > They would for $25 per computer, That is MS double dipping method for recyclers to force them to purchase a new license for a computer that was already licensed by the OEM at the time of manufacturer You're making presumptuous statements here (and I know because A - your statement is false, $25 is only necessary if the device does not have a recovery disk already; B - your statement is in no way related to my quoted response of approaching Microsoft if they'd be interested in partnering in a recycling program). I'm not going to engage with your prejudice against a corporation of your dislike. > Again you are talking about the law, I am talking about ethics, surely you to not believe all thing that are illegal are unethical and that all thing that are legal are ethical? If you do believe that I return to my original statement in that you have a completely screwed set of ethics and morality When all else fails, paint the other person in black? You believe software should be free to distribute and copy because it is a never ending source and can be created out of thin air once someone has developed it? How about you try counterfeiting US Dollars which are also created out of thin air? Software is the currency of the tech companies that develop it and they like to protect is just like our Govt. likes to protect their own economic interest. If you don't like a company you have the choice of not using their products but don't go around saying they're a bunch of evil morons for protecting their interest.

by zeusk 9y ago

syshum 9y ago

>>I'm interpreting law as I was taught. And if you're going to question my ethics and morality over my interpretation of the law and sentence The fact that you seem to get your ethics and morality from the law says a lot. I don't, I personally find large segments of the law to be highly immoral and unethical. >Would his sentence have been more lenient had the value of discs estimated to be $100,000 instead of $700,000? Nope. Would his sentence have been more lenient had he not spent effort to infringe on copyright and attempt to make fakes that are harder to discern? Maybe. Ok that may be a factual statement, that has nothing to do with the fact it should not have been a criminal matter in the first place, but a civil matter where only monetary damages would be punishment I believe prison should be reserved for people that are a physical danger to other, not as punishment for harming a corporations profits >He didn't even spend the minimal effort to inquire with Microsoft if they would help him in pushing more recycled computers with Windows They would for $25 per computer, That is MS double dipping method for recyclers to force them to purchase a new license for a computer that was already licensed by the OEM at the time of manufacturer >If that doesn't show criminal intent, I don't know what does. Again you are talking about the law, I am talking about ethics, surely you to not believe all thing that are illegal are unethical and that all thing that are legal are ethical? If you do believe that I return to my original statement in that you have a completely screwed set of ethics and morality

zeusk 9y ago
> Again you are talking about the law, I am talking about ethics, surely you to not believe all thing that are illegal are unethical and that all thing that are legal are ethical? If you do believe that I return to my original statement in that you have a completely screwed set of ethics and morality > The fact that you seem to get your ethics and morality from the law says a lot. I don't, I personally find large segments of the law to be highly immoral and unethical. As much as you'd like, the judicial system doesn't work on ethics as judged by you. I hope you understand the functionality of the judicial system before making such broad statements about it. > The fact that you seem to get your ethics and morality from the law says a lot. I don't, but I also don't let my own feelings affect my interpretation of law. > Ok that may be a factual statement, that has nothing to do with the fact it should not have been a criminal matter in the first place, but a civil matter where only monetary damages would be punishment Do you know what the difference is between civil and criminal law? It doesn't appear so. > I believe prison should be reserved for people that are a physical danger to other, not as punishment for harming a corporations profits So do I to a certain degree, but you must first understand that the corporations comprise of people like you and me and not some evil mind CEO who eats all the profits. > They would for $25 per computer, That is MS double dipping method for recyclers to force them to purchase a new license for a computer that was already licensed by the OEM at the time of manufacturer You're making presumptuous statements here (and I know because A - your statement is false, $25 is only necessary if the device does not have a recovery disk already; B - your statement is in no way related to my quoted response of approaching Microsoft if they'd be interested in partnering in a recycling program). I'm not going to engage with your prejudice against a corporation of your dislike. > Again you are talking about the law, I am talking about ethics, surely you to not believe all thing that are illegal are unethical and that all thing that are legal are ethical? If you do believe that I return to my original statement in that you have a completely screwed set of ethics and morality When all else fails, paint the other person in black? You believe software should be free to distribute and copy because it is a never ending source and can be created out of thin air once someone has developed it? How about you try counterfeiting US Dollars which are also created out of thin air? Software is the currency of the tech companies that develop it and they like to protect is just like our Govt. likes to protect their own economic interest. If you don't like a company you have the choice of not using their products but don't go around saying they're a bunch of evil morons for protecting their interest.