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> If we did that to a human without their consent there would be blood in the streets The same could be said for almost anything we do with pigs

jacquesm 9y ago
There is a big difference between the way pigs are treated for consumption and what is happening in this experiment. For all we know the rest of the pig was discarded. To me there is a huge difference between killing animals for food and conducting ethically questionable experiments on them. Another bothersome element here is that pigs are super smart and even though they state they are sure the pig(s) never regained consciousness you have to wonder what kind of extreme stress they would have cause if that had not worked out. Animal research is something that I hope we can do without in the near future. And if we all ate less meat (or none at all) then that would be for the better as well, though ironically that would likely mean that there would be no more domesticated animals kept for food at all except for cows (for milk) and chickens (for eggs).
- jonknee 9y ago
  It sounds like they literally took the brains from slaughtered pigs. I don't know why they wouldn't have processed the meat as normal. > Brains rescued from a slaughterhouse had their circulation restored with a system of pumps, heaters and artificial blood.
- throwaway413 9y ago
  You’re ignoring the method of killing the animal for food. It’s not just “killing them for food”. It’s the entire industrial process of slaughter at scale. Look into it sometime.
- tao_oat 9y ago
  It’s not really possible to separate the egg and dairy industries from the meat industry. What do you think happens to chickens or cows when their production levels start falling?
  - scottie_m 8y ago
    More than that, male chicks are overwhelmingly not raised and just killed because they’re not particularly worth the money. Buying mass produced eggs means a lot of chicks died to make it efficient at the start. With cows the males who are not going to be used for breeding (very few are raised as bulls) are generally raised for veal. As you say, they are inextricably linked on the large scale. At least for eggs though, you can definitely patronize small farms that don’t need to employ such aggressive economies of scale.
- dghughes 9y ago
  > pigs are super smart Until they smell blood. If you ever go into a pig pen and cut yourself the pigs will attack you and probably kill you. Chickens are similar but of course being smaller they attack each other. People these days more than ever want to anthropomorphize animals they like. But when instinct kicks in many of those animals are, well, just animals.
XJOKOLAT 9y ago
I refer you to a certain Mr David Cameron ... #whatiwouldhavesaid

jacquesm 9y ago

There is a big difference between the way pigs are treated for consumption and what is happening in this experiment. For all we know the rest of the pig was discarded. To me there is a huge difference between killing animals for food and conducting ethically questionable experiments on them. Another bothersome element here is that pigs are super smart and even though they state they are sure the pig(s) never regained consciousness you have to wonder what kind of extreme stress they would have cause if that had not worked out. Animal research is something that I hope we can do without in the near future. And if we all ate less meat (or none at all) then that would be for the better as well, though ironically that would likely mean that there would be no more domesticated animals kept for food at all except for cows (for milk) and chickens (for eggs).

jonknee 9y ago
It sounds like they literally took the brains from slaughtered pigs. I don't know why they wouldn't have processed the meat as normal. > Brains rescued from a slaughterhouse had their circulation restored with a system of pumps, heaters and artificial blood.
throwaway413 9y ago
You’re ignoring the method of killing the animal for food. It’s not just “killing them for food”. It’s the entire industrial process of slaughter at scale. Look into it sometime.
tao_oat 9y ago
It’s not really possible to separate the egg and dairy industries from the meat industry. What do you think happens to chickens or cows when their production levels start falling?
- scottie_m 8y ago
  More than that, male chicks are overwhelmingly not raised and just killed because they’re not particularly worth the money. Buying mass produced eggs means a lot of chicks died to make it efficient at the start. With cows the males who are not going to be used for breeding (very few are raised as bulls) are generally raised for veal. As you say, they are inextricably linked on the large scale. At least for eggs though, you can definitely patronize small farms that don’t need to employ such aggressive economies of scale.
dghughes 9y ago
> pigs are super smart Until they smell blood. If you ever go into a pig pen and cut yourself the pigs will attack you and probably kill you. Chickens are similar but of course being smaller they attack each other. People these days more than ever want to anthropomorphize animals they like. But when instinct kicks in many of those animals are, well, just animals.

XJOKOLAT 9y ago

I refer you to a certain Mr David Cameron ... #whatiwouldhavesaid