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He was given the way out of stating it as a Hypothesis. He simply did not want to AND insulted the other party. I mean: it was not a problem with heliocentrism

He was given the way out of stating it as a Hypothesis. He simply did not want to AND insulted the other party. I mean: it was not a problem with heliocentrism (the jesuit scientists supported it), it was a problem of politics. You can be right but do not expect the other party to absolve you if you insult it.

acqq 9y ago
> it was not a problem with heliocentrism It surely was. Copernicus' book remained also banned by the Church for 202 years more after Galileo's sentence. That very sentence by the Inquisition directly banned Galileo's book and sentenced him to lifetime (house) imprisonment. It was so light because Galileo "abjured, cursed, and detested" his errors ("false opinion that the sun is the center"), and his Abjuration is also preserved (I quote parts of it): "I, Galileo, son of the late Vincenzio Galilei of Florence, seventy years of age, arraigned personally for judgment, kneeling before you Most Eminent and Most Reverend Cardinals Inquisitors-General against heretical depravity in all of Christendom, having before my eyes and touching with my hands the Holy Gospels, swear that I have always believed, I believe now, and with God's help I will believe in the future all that the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church holds, preaches, and teaches. However, whereas, after having been judicially instructed with injunction by the Holy Office to abandon completely the false opinion that the sun is the center of the world and does not move and the earth is not the center of the world and moves, and not to hold defend, or teach this false doctrine in any way whatever, orally or in writing; and after having been notified that this doctrine is contrary to Holy Scripture; I wrote and published a book in which I treat of this already condemned doctrine and adduce very effective reasons in its favor, without refuting them in any way; therefore, I have been judged vehemently suspected of heresy, namely of having held and believed that the sun is the center of the world and motionless and the earth is not the center and moves. Therefore, desiring to removed from the minds of Your Eminences and every faithful Christian this vehement suspicion, rightly conceived against me, with a sincere heart and unfeigned faith I abjure, curse, and detest the above-mentioned errors and heresies, and in general each and every other error, heresy, and sect contrary to the Holy Church"
jamesrcole 9y ago
I said "But if he hadn't promoted heliocentrism would he have been locked up?". What you're saying is consistent with "No, he would not have been locked up", yet you're claiming "it was not a problem with heliocentrism". Taking this from another angle, you say "He was given the way out of stating it as a Hypothesis." A "way out" implies there was something wrong done -- presenting a heliocentric view -- that you can get out of being punished for.
cygx 9y ago
I mean: it was not a problem with heliocentrism (the jesuit scientists supported it) They favoured the Tychonic model, which was geocentric.

acqq 9y ago

> it was not a problem with heliocentrism It surely was. Copernicus' book remained also banned by the Church for 202 years more after Galileo's sentence. That very sentence by the Inquisition directly banned Galileo's book and sentenced him to lifetime (house) imprisonment. It was so light because Galileo "abjured, cursed, and detested" his errors ("false opinion that the sun is the center"), and his Abjuration is also preserved (I quote parts of it): "I, Galileo, son of the late Vincenzio Galilei of Florence, seventy years of age, arraigned personally for judgment, kneeling before you Most Eminent and Most Reverend Cardinals Inquisitors-General against heretical depravity in all of Christendom, having before my eyes and touching with my hands the Holy Gospels, swear that I have always believed, I believe now, and with God's help I will believe in the future all that the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church holds, preaches, and teaches. However, whereas, after having been judicially instructed with injunction by the Holy Office to abandon completely the false opinion that the sun is the center of the world and does not move and the earth is not the center of the world and moves, and not to hold defend, or teach this false doctrine in any way whatever, orally or in writing; and after having been notified that this doctrine is contrary to Holy Scripture; I wrote and published a book in which I treat of this already condemned doctrine and adduce very effective reasons in its favor, without refuting them in any way; therefore, I have been judged vehemently suspected of heresy, namely of having held and believed that the sun is the center of the world and motionless and the earth is not the center and moves. Therefore, desiring to removed from the minds of Your Eminences and every faithful Christian this vehement suspicion, rightly conceived against me, with a sincere heart and unfeigned faith I abjure, curse, and detest the above-mentioned errors and heresies, and in general each and every other error, heresy, and sect contrary to the Holy Church"

jamesrcole 9y ago

I said "But if he hadn't promoted heliocentrism would he have been locked up?". What you're saying is consistent with "No, he would not have been locked up", yet you're claiming "it was not a problem with heliocentrism". Taking this from another angle, you say "He was given the way out of stating it as a Hypothesis." A "way out" implies there was something wrong done -- presenting a heliocentric view -- that you can get out of being punished for.

cygx 9y ago

I mean: it was not a problem with heliocentrism (the jesuit scientists supported it) They favoured the Tychonic model, which was geocentric.