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What if we make cellphone screens which emit 10,000 lux? Boom. Problem solved.

by koverda 8y ago

jcoffland 8y ago
And the battery would last for 5 mins.
- iamwil 8y ago
  Not if it weighs 20 lbs.
  - creep 8y ago
    I would buy this rare and beautiful piece of technology.
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  - lucb1e 8y ago
    Keeps people both fit and myopialess? Brilliant! (9kg btw, for the Europeans here.)
tomxor 8y ago
I know you are being facetious but it's probably important to note that the LED and oLED light used in phones is not wide spectrum. I think attempting to generate the equivalent intensity of natural light means unnaturally high intensity three component narrow band frequency exposure?... I can imagine that might pose a non obvious risk to eyes because it _looks_ visibly equivalent. (sorry I am unable to reference it but there was some research into the negative effects of this recently given the advent of LED lights replacing incandescents)
- tomxor 8y ago
  Found it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12575725 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12575725 Note: the top rated post has focused on editorial quality and glossed over the fact that it is narrow band light and cannot be compared as equivalently in wide spectrum terms beyond perception (e.g colour temperature), this is pointed out in the 2nd immediate child by sandworm101. I should point out that the properties of the light beyond perception _are_ important due to ipRGCs: the mammalian retina contains ipRGC photo-receptors that do not relay images to the brain but are responsible for various reflexive responses. These receptors are sensitive to a wide spectrum of light peeking around blue [1]. Ultimately these ipRGCs release melanopsin which is known to affect circadian rhythm, and is thought to control sleep wake patterns [2]. I expect you've heard about this vaugley before as I have, but what is interesting in the context of LEDs is that ipRGCs appear to respond to more of a continuum of spectrum, so unlike our cones they would be "perceiving" LED light quite differently to our consciously perceived images. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanopsin#Function https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanopsin#Function [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanopsin#Control_of_sleep/wake_patterns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanopsin#Control_of_sleep/wa...

What if we make cellphone screens which emit 10,000 lux? Boom. Problem solved.

jcoffland 8y ago

And the battery would last for 5 mins.

iamwil 8y ago
Not if it weighs 20 lbs.
- creep 8y ago
  I would buy this rare and beautiful piece of technology.
  - deleted 8y ago
    [deleted]
- lucb1e 8y ago
  Keeps people both fit and myopialess? Brilliant! (9kg btw, for the Europeans here.)

tomxor 8y ago

I know you are being facetious but it's probably important to note that the LED and oLED light used in phones is not wide spectrum. I think attempting to generate the equivalent intensity of natural light means unnaturally high intensity three component narrow band frequency exposure?... I can imagine that might pose a non obvious risk to eyes because it _looks_ visibly equivalent. (sorry I am unable to reference it but there was some research into the negative effects of this recently given the advent of LED lights replacing incandescents)

tomxor 8y ago
Found it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12575725 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12575725 Note: the top rated post has focused on editorial quality and glossed over the fact that it is narrow band light and cannot be compared as equivalently in wide spectrum terms beyond perception (e.g colour temperature), this is pointed out in the 2nd immediate child by sandworm101. I should point out that the properties of the light beyond perception _are_ important due to ipRGCs: the mammalian retina contains ipRGC photo-receptors that do not relay images to the brain but are responsible for various reflexive responses. These receptors are sensitive to a wide spectrum of light peeking around blue [1]. Ultimately these ipRGCs release melanopsin which is known to affect circadian rhythm, and is thought to control sleep wake patterns [2]. I expect you've heard about this vaugley before as I have, but what is interesting in the context of LEDs is that ipRGCs appear to respond to more of a continuum of spectrum, so unlike our cones they would be "perceiving" LED light quite differently to our consciously perceived images. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanopsin#Function https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanopsin#Function [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanopsin#Control_of_sleep/wake_patterns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanopsin#Control_of_sleep/wa...