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Prison should be reserved only for those that are a Physical Danger to others, not to punish people that may harm Corporate profits

by syshum 9y ago

shmed 9y ago
What about thieves? If I break into a bank or a jewelry store and leave with million dollars worth of gold, then get caught. Should I just "restitute" the stolen goods and go back home? My only crime was to harm corporate profits, I didn't put anyone under physical danger. What about if I steal someone's car (not a corporation)? Does it change based on who you target (rather than based on the crime itself)? And if the only punishment is monetary, rather than jail time, does that mean committing a crime becomes a question of "can I afford to commit the crime and simply pay the fine?". Let's say I'm a millionaire that get its thrill from breaking into museum and stealing valuable art pieces. Are we just gonna ask him to give them back (if he ever get caught) and pay a "stealing" fee?
aje403 9y ago
The lazy entitled pseudologic neckbeard hivemind of this site is painful sometimes. Please stop. What if I decide to be a polite burglar who doesn't have any intention of hurting you? Can you leave me out of jail too? I think it's great that our country has strong deterrents against people clearly and deliberately going out of their way to make a living off copyright infringement. Why is it so hard to avoid jail by going through life and not deliberately stealing IP from another company that they've literally systematically invested in for 30 years? Now we just need to do a better job of it abroad.
- syshum 9y ago
  >>I think it's great that our country has strong deterrents against people clearly and deliberately going out of their way to make a living off copyright infringement. and I think copyright itself is unethical and should be abolished completely, I am willing to accept/comprise and support a copyright of extreme limited duration covering an very small subset of useful arts and sciences for a duration of no more than 14 years to the original creator only (no corporations) >The lazy entitled pseudologic neckbeard hivemind of this site is painful sometimes. Please stop. I am a clean shaven libertarian that has never had a beard or any facial hair let alone a neckbeard. >What if I decide to be a polite burglar who doesn't have any intention of hurting you? Can you leave me out of jail too? Yes, if a person steals property that property can be replaced / victim made hole via restitution, it holds no value to society or the victim to place that person in a cage, a cage that also must be paid for by taking property of others in the form of taxation. If someone takes $1,000 from me, I would much rather have $1,500 in restitution than $0 and the person go to jail
  - aje403 9y ago
    But it sure as shit might stop the next guy if all his friends keep getting put in jail, something very rare in white collar crime. If I were Microsoft or any business needing to protect my IP rights, I would not care about a small reparation, I would care about it not having to go to court every 5 minutes because everyone and their mom is printing off fake CDs because it's not getting adequately deterred by the justice system. Seriously, if you want to bitch about our justice system or even our copyright laws you have WAY WAY lower hanging fruit than this to base a coherent argument around Nvm: re-read your posts, Windows should not have a copyright on these disks, I do not exist in the same universe as you
    - syshum 9y ago
      >>If I were Microsoft or any business needing to protect my IP rights And this is the main disconnect, I do not accept the concept of "intellectual property" or believe it is a right. Microsoft should not be given a "right" by the government to control in what order I instruct my hard drive or cd burner to arrange a series of 1's and 0's. Doing so is an actual violation of my physical property rights as the owner of said hard drive
      - aje403 9y ago
        Let's make it clear that Microsoft has rights on Windows, their brand and suite of products, not operating systems in general. The problem comes from when a malicious 3rd party explicitly paints Windows on the disc full of 0s and 1s to fool the consumer deliberately into believing its a genuine product. Microsoft not only loses revenue but it assumes brand liability You did not invent a single thing you are using right now and the delusional dream world with no ip in which people like you wish to exist, a hard drive was never invented in the first place. If you want to argue some of them need to be reformed, sure, that's obvious to everyone who reads the news once in awhile, but everything else indicates you are the originally intended reason for why the electoral college exists
        dang 9y ago

Prison should be reserved only for those that are a Physical Danger to others, not to punish people that may harm Corporate profits

by syshum 9y ago

Prison should be reserved only for those that are a Physical Danger to others, not to punish people that may harm Corporate profits

shmed 9y ago

What about thieves? If I break into a bank or a jewelry store and leave with million dollars worth of gold, then get caught. Should I just "restitute" the stolen goods and go back home? My only crime was to harm corporate profits, I didn't put anyone under physical danger. What about if I steal someone's car (not a corporation)? Does it change based on who you target (rather than based on the crime itself)? And if the only punishment is monetary, rather than jail time, does that mean committing a crime becomes a question of "can I afford to commit the crime and simply pay the fine?". Let's say I'm a millionaire that get its thrill from breaking into museum and stealing valuable art pieces. Are we just gonna ask him to give them back (if he ever get caught) and pay a "stealing" fee?

aje403 9y ago

The lazy entitled pseudologic neckbeard hivemind of this site is painful sometimes. Please stop. What if I decide to be a polite burglar who doesn't have any intention of hurting you? Can you leave me out of jail too? I think it's great that our country has strong deterrents against people clearly and deliberately going out of their way to make a living off copyright infringement. Why is it so hard to avoid jail by going through life and not deliberately stealing IP from another company that they've literally systematically invested in for 30 years? Now we just need to do a better job of it abroad.

syshum 9y ago
>>I think it's great that our country has strong deterrents against people clearly and deliberately going out of their way to make a living off copyright infringement. and I think copyright itself is unethical and should be abolished completely, I am willing to accept/comprise and support a copyright of extreme limited duration covering an very small subset of useful arts and sciences for a duration of no more than 14 years to the original creator only (no corporations) >The lazy entitled pseudologic neckbeard hivemind of this site is painful sometimes. Please stop. I am a clean shaven libertarian that has never had a beard or any facial hair let alone a neckbeard. >What if I decide to be a polite burglar who doesn't have any intention of hurting you? Can you leave me out of jail too? Yes, if a person steals property that property can be replaced / victim made hole via restitution, it holds no value to society or the victim to place that person in a cage, a cage that also must be paid for by taking property of others in the form of taxation. If someone takes $1,000 from me, I would much rather have $1,500 in restitution than $0 and the person go to jail
- aje403 9y ago
  But it sure as shit might stop the next guy if all his friends keep getting put in jail, something very rare in white collar crime. If I were Microsoft or any business needing to protect my IP rights, I would not care about a small reparation, I would care about it not having to go to court every 5 minutes because everyone and their mom is printing off fake CDs because it's not getting adequately deterred by the justice system. Seriously, if you want to bitch about our justice system or even our copyright laws you have WAY WAY lower hanging fruit than this to base a coherent argument around Nvm: re-read your posts, Windows should not have a copyright on these disks, I do not exist in the same universe as you
  - syshum 9y ago
    >>If I were Microsoft or any business needing to protect my IP rights And this is the main disconnect, I do not accept the concept of "intellectual property" or believe it is a right. Microsoft should not be given a "right" by the government to control in what order I instruct my hard drive or cd burner to arrange a series of 1's and 0's. Doing so is an actual violation of my physical property rights as the owner of said hard drive
    - aje403 9y ago
      Let's make it clear that Microsoft has rights on Windows, their brand and suite of products, not operating systems in general. The problem comes from when a malicious 3rd party explicitly paints Windows on the disc full of 0s and 1s to fool the consumer deliberately into believing its a genuine product. Microsoft not only loses revenue but it assumes brand liability You did not invent a single thing you are using right now and the delusional dream world with no ip in which people like you wish to exist, a hard drive was never invented in the first place. If you want to argue some of them need to be reformed, sure, that's obvious to everyone who reads the news once in awhile, but everything else indicates you are the originally intended reason for why the electoral college exists
      - dang 9y ago