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Those disks were unusable without a license. To get a license you need to pay Microsoft, not Eric. Please take your false equivalence somewhere else.

zeusk 8y ago
They're a convenience and as such, cost something for commercial use. You can download Windows and create an image for personal use through Microsoft's own websites. Windows 7: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows7 https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows7 Windows 10: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10ISO https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10I... The "genuine" discs he sold had "pre-activated" installations which were clearly tampered with. Just because the discs are unusable without a license (Which they weren't, as demonstrated during the trial and documented in the docket), it doesn't give him the right to use Microsoft and Dell Logo to cheat the buyers. Please take your prejudice elsewhere.
- icebraining 8y ago
  Which they weren't, as demonstrated during the trial and documented in the docket Well, they didn't seem to actually activate Windows. They only managed to active it using the laptop's original key, not furnished by the CDs guy.
  - zeusk 8y ago
    > Well, they didn't seem to actually activate Windows. That's exactly the point. After using the recovery disk on a lenovo laptop, the installation was loaded with activation info from Dell's original recovery disks.
    - icebraining 8y ago
      But would it have worked on any Dell? Or was it just a useless key left from their master copy? And how do we know?
    - devindotcom 8y ago
      The installation was activated with the laptop's COA. That's how they're meant to be used, as a re-installation medium where you re-authorize the OS with your original license key. If you don't have a key you have to buy one from MS. The Dell stuff on the disc that made it onto the install was just a folder with like support links and stuff. The install process is on page 31 here: https://blogs.microsoft.com/uploads/prod/sites/5/2018/04/2LUNDGREN6.pdf https://blogs.microsoft.com/uploads/prod/sites/5/2018/04/2LU...
      - zeusk 8y ago
        Go read Step 2. and 3. yourself They used the key later to show that the activation never appeared on Microsoft's servers even when using a genuine key which clearly shows the disks were tampered.
ksk 8y ago
Far from being unusable, even without a valid license key, windows will work for 30 days IIRC. With some versions you can 're arm' the license for a total of 90 days of free use. In any case, the license you're talking about is the license to _use_ the software, distribution is a separate thing. Nobody except Microsoft is allowed to distribute the software. Just because they offer a download, that doesn't mean you can download and re-distribute it without their permission. Certain copyright licenses also block you from redistribution unless you provide the source code. Even so, companies don't bother you with such trivial things as re-uploading an ISO that you downloaded off their website since its usually a waste of their time/money. I'm not sure why MS is even bothering with this case TBH.

zeusk 8y ago

They're a convenience and as such, cost something for commercial use. You can download Windows and create an image for personal use through Microsoft's own websites. Windows 7: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows7 https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows7 Windows 10: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10ISO https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10I... The "genuine" discs he sold had "pre-activated" installations which were clearly tampered with. Just because the discs are unusable without a license (Which they weren't, as demonstrated during the trial and documented in the docket), it doesn't give him the right to use Microsoft and Dell Logo to cheat the buyers. Please take your prejudice elsewhere.

icebraining 8y ago
Which they weren't, as demonstrated during the trial and documented in the docket Well, they didn't seem to actually activate Windows. They only managed to active it using the laptop's original key, not furnished by the CDs guy.
- zeusk 8y ago
  > Well, they didn't seem to actually activate Windows. That's exactly the point. After using the recovery disk on a lenovo laptop, the installation was loaded with activation info from Dell's original recovery disks.
  - icebraining 8y ago
    But would it have worked on any Dell? Or was it just a useless key left from their master copy? And how do we know?
  - devindotcom 8y ago
    The installation was activated with the laptop's COA. That's how they're meant to be used, as a re-installation medium where you re-authorize the OS with your original license key. If you don't have a key you have to buy one from MS. The Dell stuff on the disc that made it onto the install was just a folder with like support links and stuff. The install process is on page 31 here: https://blogs.microsoft.com/uploads/prod/sites/5/2018/04/2LUNDGREN6.pdf https://blogs.microsoft.com/uploads/prod/sites/5/2018/04/2LU...
    - zeusk 8y ago
      Go read Step 2. and 3. yourself They used the key later to show that the activation never appeared on Microsoft's servers even when using a genuine key which clearly shows the disks were tampered.

ksk 8y ago

Far from being unusable, even without a valid license key, windows will work for 30 days IIRC. With some versions you can 're arm' the license for a total of 90 days of free use. In any case, the license you're talking about is the license to _use_ the software, distribution is a separate thing. Nobody except Microsoft is allowed to distribute the software. Just because they offer a download, that doesn't mean you can download and re-distribute it without their permission. Certain copyright licenses also block you from redistribution unless you provide the source code. Even so, companies don't bother you with such trivial things as re-uploading an ISO that you downloaded off their website since its usually a waste of their time/money. I'm not sure why MS is even bothering with this case TBH.