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A survey of comics research in computer science

68 points by blopeur 9y ago

egypturnash 9y ago
The main thing I took away from this survey is that the state of the datasets researchers pass around is kind of terrible. None of them are very large. The biggest one looks to be a pile of manga of dubious copyright status. I find myself wondering if it might be worth spending some resources reaching out to independent comics creators to get copies of their source files, which will often have consistent methods of organization and labeling across hundreds of pages, as well as machine-readable text, and building a new dataset or expanding existing ones. Some time parsing the propriety formats these are mostly going to be in (largely Photoshop, Illustrator, and Manga Studio) and/or pulling data out via the program’s scripting/plug-in interfaces might prove worthwhile. Reach out to “collectives” like Hiveworks or Spiderforest, you can find a lot of artists working at a pro level that way.
- gwern 9y ago
  > The main thing I took away from this survey is that the state of the datasets researchers pass around is kind of terrible. None of them are very large. The biggest one looks to be a pile of manga of dubious copyright status. That's true of most of the big datasets. You don't really think ImageNet negotiated licenses with all 10 million+ owners of the images, do you? They were all ripped from Google Images based on search queries. Yes, there's an 'implied license' for anyone posting images online but 1. a large fraction, probably the majority, of the posters don't own the copyright in the first place; and 2. that implied license almost certainly doesn't extend to unlimited redistribution forever to everyone as part of a ML dataset. Likewise MS COCO, Visual Genome, WebVision... (I remember Google released a giant photo dataset a while ago - not the photos, just the URLs! You were expected to download the images yourself.) To a first approximation, IP law is so maximalist that the answer to 'can I do X' is always 'no'. I used to occasionally do copyright clearance for photos for WP, and it was a nightmare. A single photo would take months for all the back and forth, and that didn't even involve money. > I find myself wondering if it might be worth spending some resources reaching out to independent comics creators to get copies of their source files, which will often have consistent methods of organization and labeling across hundreds of pages, as well as machine-readable text, and building a new dataset or expanding existing ones. They will charge too much, refuse to license appropriately, take months to decide, ignore you, be confused about what they are agreeing to, may not have copies, it'll be very messy data if you can convert the formats at all to a common format (necessary if you hope anyone will ever use it) and after spending a ton of money and time, you'll have a small dataset a few orders of magnitude smaller (and much less proportionately diverse) than Jin's Getchu, COMICS, nico-opendata, Danbooru2017, 'Quick, Draw!', etc. NN OCR is also pretty good these days so the benefit of the raw source files might not be so great either, and it won't have the stroke-level data of 'Quick, Draw!'.
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68 points by blopeur 9y ago

The main thing I took away from this survey is that the state of the datasets researchers pass around is kind of terrible. None of them are very large. The biggest one looks to be a pile of manga of dubious copyright status. I find myself wondering if it might be worth spending some resources reaching out to independent comics creators to get copies of their source files, which will often have consistent methods of organization and labeling across hundreds of pages, as well as machine-readable text, and building a new dataset or expanding existing ones. Some time parsing the propriety formats these are mostly going to be in (largely Photoshop, Illustrator, and Manga Studio) and/or pulling data out via the program’s scripting/plug-in interfaces might prove worthwhile. Reach out to “collectives” like Hiveworks or Spiderforest, you can find a lot of artists working at a pro level that way.

gwern 9y ago
> The main thing I took away from this survey is that the state of the datasets researchers pass around is kind of terrible. None of them are very large. The biggest one looks to be a pile of manga of dubious copyright status. That's true of most of the big datasets. You don't really think ImageNet negotiated licenses with all 10 million+ owners of the images, do you? They were all ripped from Google Images based on search queries. Yes, there's an 'implied license' for anyone posting images online but 1. a large fraction, probably the majority, of the posters don't own the copyright in the first place; and 2. that implied license almost certainly doesn't extend to unlimited redistribution forever to everyone as part of a ML dataset. Likewise MS COCO, Visual Genome, WebVision... (I remember Google released a giant photo dataset a while ago - not the photos, just the URLs! You were expected to download the images yourself.) To a first approximation, IP law is so maximalist that the answer to 'can I do X' is always 'no'. I used to occasionally do copyright clearance for photos for WP, and it was a nightmare. A single photo would take months for all the back and forth, and that didn't even involve money. > I find myself wondering if it might be worth spending some resources reaching out to independent comics creators to get copies of their source files, which will often have consistent methods of organization and labeling across hundreds of pages, as well as machine-readable text, and building a new dataset or expanding existing ones. They will charge too much, refuse to license appropriately, take months to decide, ignore you, be confused about what they are agreeing to, may not have copies, it'll be very messy data if you can convert the formats at all to a common format (necessary if you hope anyone will ever use it) and after spending a ton of money and time, you'll have a small dataset a few orders of magnitude smaller (and much less proportionately diverse) than Jin's Getchu, COMICS, nico-opendata, Danbooru2017, 'Quick, Draw!', etc. NN OCR is also pretty good these days so the benefit of the raw source files might not be so great either, and it won't have the stroke-level data of 'Quick, Draw!'.

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