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I realize that activity and content are what media sites need, but the publish / subscribe model that celebrity accounts reinforce is the antithesis of anything

I realize that activity and content are what media sites need, but the publish / subscribe model that celebrity accounts reinforce is the antithesis of anything social. I shutdown my Twitter because there is near zero interaction on there. In the same sense, Facebook is very much a media sharing platform, rather than a social platform to connect with people. I would like to see a paid social network with zero tolerance for programmatic interaction. Maybe tied to a (non voip) phone to make the cost of shill accounts high. I do feel there is a chance to unseat the major sites right now, it just requires a site that provides meaningful interaction instead of ads and corporate interest.

sverige 8y ago
I think you're right. The money quote from the article: "The damage is done on a very large level because nothing is genuine." Various family members have tried to get me to join social networks over the years, starting with Facebook, then Twitter, then Snapchat, Instagram, and I don't what all. But after watching them use these platforms, it seemed to me that it's all just churn of useless junk. Even Youtube has degraded considerably. Maybe someday someone will figure out how to achieve the apparently conflicting goals of wide adoption, quality content, civil interactions, and monetization.
- Bombthecat 8y ago
  Sounds like project management: quality, time, budget, pick one..
- lostlogin 8y ago
  I’d call that a bar or cafe, with the lite version being a couple of coffees.
electricEmu 8y ago
It would be great if peers competed on features, anti-bot tactics, reliability, etc. Perhaps large social sites should be working on an open social data interchange protocol instead of asking for protected regulation. Free the game instead of enshrining the players. Closed social network platforms and protocols exhausterbated consolidation. They disallow competition. The market is hostile. The market will not standardize, and actively worked against it (RSS). Open the protocols. Let the kid down the street compete with Facebook again. Let me pay $5/mo for a small player in Norway to host a custom Whateverstadon with strict peering rules. Let DNS be the registry.
- cageface 8y ago
  exhausterbated Please tell me you used this word on purpose.
  - nasredin 8y ago
    Exhausterbated Is the perfect word for how a man or a woman feels after browsing Facebook/Twitter/Reddit!
opencl 8y ago
Where do you get this idea that Twitter has near zero interaction? There is tons of interaction on Twitter. Obviously if you follow a bunch of celebrity accounts you will personally not see a lot of interaction. I mostly follow friends and/or people who post about hobbies I enjoy and interact with them frequently.
- TACIXAT 8y ago
  I specifically did not follow celebs. My tweets would generally get 1 or 2 likes, maybe about 60 impressions, and the occasional reply from one of a few friends. I would still end up seeing celeb accounts through the your friend follows and your friend liked feature.
  - opencl 8y ago
    It's definitely a matter of who you're following/who follows you, that's true of any site. IG/FB very much actively encourages (with their newsfeed algorithms, and to an extent also the UI) 'influencer'-type accounts over individual communication. Twitter imo is significantly less bad about this.
- nasredin 8y ago
  Twitter is more like a mouse clicking game with very little interaction per mouseclick. They still haven't implemented threading and free third party native clients.
- batuhanw 8y ago
  I like following programmer fellaz. Even tho half of it promotes its tutorials, its still good to see full of stuff about programming, whats going on around. And there is good amount of interaction on open source, react, graphql related people as far as I see.
jeieo3939 8y ago
> In the same sense, Facebook is very much a media sharing platform, rather than a social platform to connect with people. Agreed. A couple years ago, I set my parents, wife’s parents, and a few others up with Raspberry Pis I manage their setups with Ansible They have syncthing and we can put photos on our local Pi using SMB apps on our phones We can browse to them and view our latest adventures through a minimal HTML/CSS/JS viewer I borrowed from github These services are a joke. Building huge data centers doesn’t serve users. It services their analytics/ad business The IT world has lost a lot of credibility with me for supporting this nonsense. Bad craftsmanship, self aggrandizement rhetoric, gregarious antics... fuck off Emotional capture of 20-something grads with notions of being the next Bezos or Gates Most will end up cube workers like their buddies that went to business school: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16946951 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16946951
- MoBattah 8y ago
  Can you elaborate on the set up? How are they syncing with one another?

sverige 8y ago

I think you're right. The money quote from the article: "The damage is done on a very large level because nothing is genuine." Various family members have tried to get me to join social networks over the years, starting with Facebook, then Twitter, then Snapchat, Instagram, and I don't what all. But after watching them use these platforms, it seemed to me that it's all just churn of useless junk. Even Youtube has degraded considerably. Maybe someday someone will figure out how to achieve the apparently conflicting goals of wide adoption, quality content, civil interactions, and monetization.

Bombthecat 8y ago
Sounds like project management: quality, time, budget, pick one..
lostlogin 8y ago
I’d call that a bar or cafe, with the lite version being a couple of coffees.

electricEmu 8y ago

It would be great if peers competed on features, anti-bot tactics, reliability, etc. Perhaps large social sites should be working on an open social data interchange protocol instead of asking for protected regulation. Free the game instead of enshrining the players. Closed social network platforms and protocols exhausterbated consolidation. They disallow competition. The market is hostile. The market will not standardize, and actively worked against it (RSS). Open the protocols. Let the kid down the street compete with Facebook again. Let me pay $5/mo for a small player in Norway to host a custom Whateverstadon with strict peering rules. Let DNS be the registry.

cageface 8y ago
exhausterbated Please tell me you used this word on purpose.
- nasredin 8y ago
  Exhausterbated Is the perfect word for how a man or a woman feels after browsing Facebook/Twitter/Reddit!

opencl 8y ago

Where do you get this idea that Twitter has near zero interaction? There is tons of interaction on Twitter. Obviously if you follow a bunch of celebrity accounts you will personally not see a lot of interaction. I mostly follow friends and/or people who post about hobbies I enjoy and interact with them frequently.

TACIXAT 8y ago
I specifically did not follow celebs. My tweets would generally get 1 or 2 likes, maybe about 60 impressions, and the occasional reply from one of a few friends. I would still end up seeing celeb accounts through the your friend follows and your friend liked feature.
- opencl 8y ago
  It's definitely a matter of who you're following/who follows you, that's true of any site. IG/FB very much actively encourages (with their newsfeed algorithms, and to an extent also the UI) 'influencer'-type accounts over individual communication. Twitter imo is significantly less bad about this.
nasredin 8y ago
Twitter is more like a mouse clicking game with very little interaction per mouseclick. They still haven't implemented threading and free third party native clients.
batuhanw 8y ago
I like following programmer fellaz. Even tho half of it promotes its tutorials, its still good to see full of stuff about programming, whats going on around. And there is good amount of interaction on open source, react, graphql related people as far as I see.

jeieo3939 8y ago

> In the same sense, Facebook is very much a media sharing platform, rather than a social platform to connect with people. Agreed. A couple years ago, I set my parents, wife’s parents, and a few others up with Raspberry Pis I manage their setups with Ansible They have syncthing and we can put photos on our local Pi using SMB apps on our phones We can browse to them and view our latest adventures through a minimal HTML/CSS/JS viewer I borrowed from github These services are a joke. Building huge data centers doesn’t serve users. It services their analytics/ad business The IT world has lost a lot of credibility with me for supporting this nonsense. Bad craftsmanship, self aggrandizement rhetoric, gregarious antics... fuck off Emotional capture of 20-something grads with notions of being the next Bezos or Gates Most will end up cube workers like their buddies that went to business school: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16946951 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16946951

MoBattah 8y ago
Can you elaborate on the set up? How are they syncing with one another?