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The fact that something is "well established" does not make it ethical, moral or right. I personally find it abhorrent when people use the justification of "we

by syshum 9y ago

The fact that something is "well established" does not make it ethical, moral or right. I personally find it abhorrent when people use the justification of "well it is well established law" as if the law is written in stone, unchangeable, the word of a god and we just have to accept it. No the law is wrong, the law should be changed, and this is an example if why it should be changed. Copyright law need to be massively reformed and curbed. Intellectual Privilege is no longer with in its constitutional remit, i.e to Promote useful Arts and Sciences, and instead used to destroy those very things ---Edit: thanks for the downvotes I love how every day HN becomes more and more of a echo Chamber where anyone that disagrees with the popular (generally Pro Large Tech Company) narrative gets downvotes and has their voice suppressed since once a post get negative votes the "You are posting to fast" throttle kicks in and prevents the person from responding

aje403 9y ago
Blah blah blah, okay, but yes he should be in jail. He can choose not to counterfeit when he gets out if he wants to stay out
- syshum 9y ago
  Prison should be reserved only for those that are a Physical Danger to others, not to punish people that may harm Corporate profits
  - shmed 9y ago
    What about thieves? If I break into a bank or a jewelry store and leave with million dollars worth of gold, then get caught. Should I just "restitute" the stolen goods and go back home? My only crime was to harm corporate profits, I didn't put anyone under physical danger. What about if I steal someone's car (not a corporation)? Does it change based on who you target (rather than based on the crime itself)? And if the only punishment is monetary, rather than jail time, does that mean committing a crime becomes a question of "can I afford to commit the crime and simply pay the fine?". Let's say I'm a millionaire that get its thrill from breaking into museum and stealing valuable art pieces. Are we just gonna ask him to give them back (if he ever get caught) and pay a "stealing" fee?
  - aje403 9y ago
    The lazy entitled pseudologic neckbeard hivemind of this site is painful sometimes. Please stop. What if I decide to be a polite burglar who doesn't have any intention of hurting you? Can you leave me out of jail too? I think it's great that our country has strong deterrents against people clearly and deliberately going out of their way to make a living off copyright infringement. Why is it so hard to avoid jail by going through life and not deliberately stealing IP from another company that they've literally systematically invested in for 30 years? Now we just need to do a better job of it abroad.
    - syshum 9y ago
      >>I think it's great that our country has strong deterrents against people clearly and deliberately going out of their way to make a living off copyright infringement. and I think copyright itself is unethical and should be abolished completely, I am willing to accept/comprise and support a copyright of extreme limited duration covering an very small subset of useful arts and sciences for a duration of no more than 14 years to the original creator only (no corporations) >The lazy entitled pseudologic neckbeard hivemind of this site is painful sometimes. Please stop. I am a clean shaven libertarian that has never had a beard or any facial hair let alone a neckbeard. >What if I decide to be a polite burglar who doesn't have any intention of hurting you? Can you leave me out of jail too? Yes, if a person steals property that property can be replaced / victim made hole via restitution, it holds no value to society or the victim to place that person in a cage, a cage that also must be paid for by taking property of others in the form of taxation. If someone takes $1,000 from me, I would much rather have $1,500 in restitution than $0 and the person go to jail
      - aje403 9y ago
        But it sure as shit might stop the next guy if all his friends keep getting put in jail, something very rare in white collar crime. If I were Microsoft or any business needing to protect my IP rights, I would not care about a small reparation, I would care about it not having to go to court every 5 minutes because everyone and their mom is printing off fake CDs because it's not getting adequately deterred by the justice system. Seriously, if you want to bitch about our justice system or even our copyright laws you have WAY WAY lower hanging fruit than this to base a coherent argument around Nvm: re-read your posts, Windows should not have a copyright on these disks, I do not exist in the same universe as you
djsumdog 9y ago
Please don't comment on downvotes. It is what it is, and it can change if you wait. In response, yes laws change. It was once well established that separate but equal was equal; and blacks could have their own bathrooms and drinking fountains. It was once legal to employee 13 year old boys as factory workers. Disney's big items are well past their trademark expiration dates. Mickey Mouse should be public domain soon, but Disney is large enough they keep lobbying for laws that extend their IP well beyond what it should be. We do need copyright reform, especially in cases like this where the physical disks aren't even made anymore.
- retrogradeorbit 9y ago
  People should be allowed to comment on down votes. Wait, let me guess, its 'well established'.
  - djsumdog 9y ago
    No, it's in the guidelines: > Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

by syshum 9y ago

aje403 9y ago

Blah blah blah, okay, but yes he should be in jail. He can choose not to counterfeit when he gets out if he wants to stay out

syshum 9y ago
Prison should be reserved only for those that are a Physical Danger to others, not to punish people that may harm Corporate profits
- shmed 9y ago
  What about thieves? If I break into a bank or a jewelry store and leave with million dollars worth of gold, then get caught. Should I just "restitute" the stolen goods and go back home? My only crime was to harm corporate profits, I didn't put anyone under physical danger. What about if I steal someone's car (not a corporation)? Does it change based on who you target (rather than based on the crime itself)? And if the only punishment is monetary, rather than jail time, does that mean committing a crime becomes a question of "can I afford to commit the crime and simply pay the fine?". Let's say I'm a millionaire that get its thrill from breaking into museum and stealing valuable art pieces. Are we just gonna ask him to give them back (if he ever get caught) and pay a "stealing" fee?
- aje403 9y ago
  The lazy entitled pseudologic neckbeard hivemind of this site is painful sometimes. Please stop. What if I decide to be a polite burglar who doesn't have any intention of hurting you? Can you leave me out of jail too? I think it's great that our country has strong deterrents against people clearly and deliberately going out of their way to make a living off copyright infringement. Why is it so hard to avoid jail by going through life and not deliberately stealing IP from another company that they've literally systematically invested in for 30 years? Now we just need to do a better job of it abroad.
  - syshum 9y ago
    >>I think it's great that our country has strong deterrents against people clearly and deliberately going out of their way to make a living off copyright infringement. and I think copyright itself is unethical and should be abolished completely, I am willing to accept/comprise and support a copyright of extreme limited duration covering an very small subset of useful arts and sciences for a duration of no more than 14 years to the original creator only (no corporations) >The lazy entitled pseudologic neckbeard hivemind of this site is painful sometimes. Please stop. I am a clean shaven libertarian that has never had a beard or any facial hair let alone a neckbeard. >What if I decide to be a polite burglar who doesn't have any intention of hurting you? Can you leave me out of jail too? Yes, if a person steals property that property can be replaced / victim made hole via restitution, it holds no value to society or the victim to place that person in a cage, a cage that also must be paid for by taking property of others in the form of taxation. If someone takes $1,000 from me, I would much rather have $1,500 in restitution than $0 and the person go to jail
    - aje403 9y ago
      But it sure as shit might stop the next guy if all his friends keep getting put in jail, something very rare in white collar crime. If I were Microsoft or any business needing to protect my IP rights, I would not care about a small reparation, I would care about it not having to go to court every 5 minutes because everyone and their mom is printing off fake CDs because it's not getting adequately deterred by the justice system. Seriously, if you want to bitch about our justice system or even our copyright laws you have WAY WAY lower hanging fruit than this to base a coherent argument around Nvm: re-read your posts, Windows should not have a copyright on these disks, I do not exist in the same universe as you

djsumdog 9y ago

Please don't comment on downvotes. It is what it is, and it can change if you wait. In response, yes laws change. It was once well established that separate but equal was equal; and blacks could have their own bathrooms and drinking fountains. It was once legal to employee 13 year old boys as factory workers. Disney's big items are well past their trademark expiration dates. Mickey Mouse should be public domain soon, but Disney is large enough they keep lobbying for laws that extend their IP well beyond what it should be. We do need copyright reform, especially in cases like this where the physical disks aren't even made anymore.

retrogradeorbit 9y ago
People should be allowed to comment on down votes. Wait, let me guess, its 'well established'.
- djsumdog 9y ago
  No, it's in the guidelines: > Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html