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chc 9y ago
I don't see what guarantees of due process and other human rights have to do with libertarianism. I'm pretty sure that (just to use a politically distant example) your average socialist would also view this as something the government shouldn't be able to do.
- jessaustin 9y ago
  Anarchism is the proper response to all of these abuses.
  - scottie_m 9y ago
    Anarchism is the proper response to all of these abuses. In the same way that your car breaking down means you should abandon it forever and just walk everywhere you want to go. It’s also a good idea, if you ever get food poisoning, to just stop eating forever. It’s never a good idea to try and fix what’s wrong, just throw it all away.
    - thatcat 9y ago
      Rejecting one form of organization doesn't preclude all future organization.
      - mattkrause 9y ago
        Isn’t that basically the definition of anarchy?
        thatcat 9y ago
        Anarchy means without leaders [0]. There are many types of anarchism that have a flat hierarchic structure and could still be considered organizations. What parent was suggesting is closer to nihilism, which is a common misunderstanding because in films anarchism is generally portrayed as nihilism[1]. [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy#Etymology [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism
    - jessaustin 9y ago
      Haha metaphors are dumb. Anarchism is an opposition to arbitrary authority. Anarchism is not a breakdown, but a response to a breakdown. I.e., the lies we are told about authority by authority break down when viewed in the light of our experiences with authority. When we disbelieve those lies, we turn to anarchism.
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- orblivion 9y ago
  It's hard to fix a system when you have to use the system to fix itself. Better to reduce the attack surface as much as possible by reducing the list of illegal things. Fight tooth and nail to keep the bureaucracy from growing, and take a hatchet to whatever already exists whenever political opportunity presents itself.
philipwhiuk 9y ago
But immigration control, judges and law enforcement is something it's supposed to be doing. Your argument is illogical
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- jMyles 9y ago
  > immigration control...is something it's supposed to be doing This is not a belief that enjoys consensus. I don't want my government telling people where they can and cannot move, nor do I think it has any moral authority to draw imaginary lines on the earth.
  - DoofusOfDeath 9y ago
    > ... nor do I think it has any moral authority to draw imaginary lines on the earth. Do you intend for that position to include personal property rights? There are some days when I'm just tired and would love to flop on the nearest bed, regardless of who lives in that house/apartment.
    - jMyles 9y ago
      > Do you intend for that position to include personal property rights? No I don't. A sense of boundaries for a person or small community does strike me as so completely contrary to nature as an authority which claims dominion over an entire continent.

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chc 9y ago

I don't see what guarantees of due process and other human rights have to do with libertarianism. I'm pretty sure that (just to use a politically distant example) your average socialist would also view this as something the government shouldn't be able to do.

jessaustin 9y ago
Anarchism is the proper response to all of these abuses.
- scottie_m 9y ago
  Anarchism is the proper response to all of these abuses. In the same way that your car breaking down means you should abandon it forever and just walk everywhere you want to go. It’s also a good idea, if you ever get food poisoning, to just stop eating forever. It’s never a good idea to try and fix what’s wrong, just throw it all away.
  - thatcat 9y ago
    Rejecting one form of organization doesn't preclude all future organization.
    - mattkrause 9y ago
      Isn’t that basically the definition of anarchy?
      - thatcat 9y ago
        Anarchy means without leaders [0]. There are many types of anarchism that have a flat hierarchic structure and could still be considered organizations. What parent was suggesting is closer to nihilism, which is a common misunderstanding because in films anarchism is generally portrayed as nihilism[1]. [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy#Etymology [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism
  - jessaustin 9y ago
    Haha metaphors are dumb. Anarchism is an opposition to arbitrary authority. Anarchism is not a breakdown, but a response to a breakdown. I.e., the lies we are told about authority by authority break down when viewed in the light of our experiences with authority. When we disbelieve those lies, we turn to anarchism.
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orblivion 9y ago
It's hard to fix a system when you have to use the system to fix itself. Better to reduce the attack surface as much as possible by reducing the list of illegal things. Fight tooth and nail to keep the bureaucracy from growing, and take a hatchet to whatever already exists whenever political opportunity presents itself.

philipwhiuk 9y ago

But immigration control, judges and law enforcement is something it's supposed to be doing. Your argument is illogical

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jMyles 9y ago
> immigration control...is something it's supposed to be doing This is not a belief that enjoys consensus. I don't want my government telling people where they can and cannot move, nor do I think it has any moral authority to draw imaginary lines on the earth.
- DoofusOfDeath 9y ago
  > ... nor do I think it has any moral authority to draw imaginary lines on the earth. Do you intend for that position to include personal property rights? There are some days when I'm just tired and would love to flop on the nearest bed, regardless of who lives in that house/apartment.
  - jMyles 9y ago
    > Do you intend for that position to include personal property rights? No I don't. A sense of boundaries for a person or small community does strike me as so completely contrary to nature as an authority which claims dominion over an entire continent.