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Why is this a bad idea, supposing you are fat enough to do it?

by fasj82 8y ago

solotronics 8y ago
its probably really bad for your kidneys
- killjoywashere 8y ago
  As compared to clogging your gloms with advanced glycosylated end-products? The routine electrolyte checks indicate his kidneys did fine and electrolyte requirements are fairly straight forward to calculate.
  - testfoobar 8y ago
    What does "clogging your gloms with advanced glycosylated end-products" mean? From a quick google search, it seems that cooking generates more AGEs, which are somehow related to diabetes and cardiovascular disease.
    - glibgil 8y ago
      The glomerulus in the renal corpuscle is what filters junk in the kidney
dokument 8y ago
You can't live off of just fat. Also, you are a collection of organisms that work together to keep "you" alive. Punishing your gut bacteria/etc just because you can is not healthy.
- aylmao 8y ago
  In the paper they mention he wasn't living off just fat. Gut flora is not hard to restore, and in fact people have to do it quite often since antibiotics take their toll on it.
- killjoywashere 8y ago
  > You can't live off of just fat. He had electrolyte maintenance and periodic monitoring. Fasting is a remarkable component of the cure for all sorts of things. > Punishing your gut bacteria/etc just because you can is not healthy. Your gut bacteria don't care. They exit as poop and the remainders will be selected for survival, not "punishment". How does one "punish" bacteria? What does that even mean?
  - ribosometronome 8y ago
    I do not think he was speaking literally, suggesting that the fellow was taking his naughty gut bacteria out and spanking them but rather suggesting that long fasts could disrupt the balance of your gut flora and cause issues when you start a natural diet and start feeding a different ecosystem of bacteria.
  - deleted 8y ago
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  - stcredzero 8y ago
    How does one "punish" bacteria? What does that even mean? Let's be charitable. He probably meant that the intestinal fauna population would be greatly impacted. For what it's worth, about half the time I read, "What does that even mean?" I can immediately think of a possible interpretation, and it makes me think the one who asked should have tried at least a little.
- glibgil 8y ago
  You could kiss someone who just vomited and lick an asshole if you want to restore gut bacteria that thrives under a normal diet. No big deal downvoters: I'm not wrong
  - aylmao 8y ago
    > downvoter: I'm not wrong downvoter isn't either, IMO
- dfraser992 8y ago
  And your specific mix of gut bacteria / the ecosystem might be a factor in "making you fat" due to the feedback process between gut bacteria and the brain / hormones. So applying evolutionary pressures to that bacteria might be a good thing.
HorizonXP 8y ago
Because most cannot do it safely. Besides caloric intake, food provides our bodies with a lot of essential nutrients, minerals, vitamins, electrolytes, and even water that our bodies cannot obtain otherwise. Also, over long enough periods, your body will have to start breaking down muscle fibers to provide the amino acids it needs to repair other structures due to wear-and-tear. To supplement all of that without food is certainly possible, but not easy without a ton of research and a plan. Given that most people cannot stick to a normal reduced-calorie diet, it’s a leap to think that full-on fasting will be possible for the general populous. That said, I do intermittent fasting all the time, and occasionally do a 24-36 hour fast if I feel I need it. I don’t have an eating disorder, but there are times where my calorie surplus gets away from me during family occasions. The longer fasts help me get back on track, especially in tandem with a hard weightlifting workout at the gym to use that surplus to its fullest potential.
- aylmao 8y ago
  A muslim friend of mine suggested that I fast with her for Ramadan. I only did it for one day, but honestly it was a pretty interesting experience. I come from a country where skipping a meal is unthinkable and grew up thinking it was unhealthy to not eat when you're supposed to, let alone not eat at all. During that day I was surprised how "energized" and focused I felt after the initial lunch-time "hump". I reached a point at which I just wasn't hungry any more; I wasn't feeling full of energy but I wasn't tired either, and I was very focused for some reason.
  - ambicapter 8y ago
    > I was very focused for some reason. Maybe because it was time to hunt... :P
  - HorizonXP 8y ago
    Oh same here. Anytime I tell people I do keto, or IF, they lose their minds. The good thing is that I’ve always done my own thing without regard for what others think (hopefully within reason). What you found is exactly how I feel daily. By sticking to keto, that loss of focus is minimized as less energy goes to my gut for digestion.
ep103 8y ago
I've read before that you can totally do it, but you need to eat a lot of vitamins and other things that aren't stored in your fat cells and that you usually get through food, to make sure you survive without significant damage. If, like this guy, you have doctors monitoring you, you'll be okay. If you just try to go about it without eating, you'll eventually end up with a deficiency in something or other, and have health problems until you eat whatever nutrient it is your missing again.
pastaking 8y ago
Paper clearly cites 5 people died from this before from not doing it safely.
jmartinpetersen 8y ago
As I recall the fast itself isn't that dangerous, it's when you start eating again it gets dicey.
- code_duck 8y ago
  Do you recall for what reasons? Fat storage in metabolism?
  - jerrycruncher 8y ago
    There's a host of variables in play: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refeeding_syndrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refeeding_syndrome

Why is this a bad idea, supposing you are fat enough to do it?

by fasj82 8y ago

Why is this a bad idea, supposing you are fat enough to do it?

solotronics 8y ago

its probably really bad for your kidneys

killjoywashere 8y ago
As compared to clogging your gloms with advanced glycosylated end-products? The routine electrolyte checks indicate his kidneys did fine and electrolyte requirements are fairly straight forward to calculate.
- testfoobar 8y ago
  What does "clogging your gloms with advanced glycosylated end-products" mean? From a quick google search, it seems that cooking generates more AGEs, which are somehow related to diabetes and cardiovascular disease.
  - glibgil 8y ago
    The glomerulus in the renal corpuscle is what filters junk in the kidney

dokument 8y ago

You can't live off of just fat. Also, you are a collection of organisms that work together to keep "you" alive. Punishing your gut bacteria/etc just because you can is not healthy.

aylmao 8y ago
In the paper they mention he wasn't living off just fat. Gut flora is not hard to restore, and in fact people have to do it quite often since antibiotics take their toll on it.
killjoywashere 8y ago
> You can't live off of just fat. He had electrolyte maintenance and periodic monitoring. Fasting is a remarkable component of the cure for all sorts of things. > Punishing your gut bacteria/etc just because you can is not healthy. Your gut bacteria don't care. They exit as poop and the remainders will be selected for survival, not "punishment". How does one "punish" bacteria? What does that even mean?
- ribosometronome 8y ago
  I do not think he was speaking literally, suggesting that the fellow was taking his naughty gut bacteria out and spanking them but rather suggesting that long fasts could disrupt the balance of your gut flora and cause issues when you start a natural diet and start feeding a different ecosystem of bacteria.
- deleted 8y ago
  [deleted]
- stcredzero 8y ago
  How does one "punish" bacteria? What does that even mean? Let's be charitable. He probably meant that the intestinal fauna population would be greatly impacted. For what it's worth, about half the time I read, "What does that even mean?" I can immediately think of a possible interpretation, and it makes me think the one who asked should have tried at least a little.
glibgil 8y ago
You could kiss someone who just vomited and lick an asshole if you want to restore gut bacteria that thrives under a normal diet. No big deal downvoters: I'm not wrong
- aylmao 8y ago
  > downvoter: I'm not wrong downvoter isn't either, IMO
dfraser992 8y ago
And your specific mix of gut bacteria / the ecosystem might be a factor in "making you fat" due to the feedback process between gut bacteria and the brain / hormones. So applying evolutionary pressures to that bacteria might be a good thing.

HorizonXP 8y ago

Because most cannot do it safely. Besides caloric intake, food provides our bodies with a lot of essential nutrients, minerals, vitamins, electrolytes, and even water that our bodies cannot obtain otherwise. Also, over long enough periods, your body will have to start breaking down muscle fibers to provide the amino acids it needs to repair other structures due to wear-and-tear. To supplement all of that without food is certainly possible, but not easy without a ton of research and a plan. Given that most people cannot stick to a normal reduced-calorie diet, it’s a leap to think that full-on fasting will be possible for the general populous. That said, I do intermittent fasting all the time, and occasionally do a 24-36 hour fast if I feel I need it. I don’t have an eating disorder, but there are times where my calorie surplus gets away from me during family occasions. The longer fasts help me get back on track, especially in tandem with a hard weightlifting workout at the gym to use that surplus to its fullest potential.

aylmao 8y ago
A muslim friend of mine suggested that I fast with her for Ramadan. I only did it for one day, but honestly it was a pretty interesting experience. I come from a country where skipping a meal is unthinkable and grew up thinking it was unhealthy to not eat when you're supposed to, let alone not eat at all. During that day I was surprised how "energized" and focused I felt after the initial lunch-time "hump". I reached a point at which I just wasn't hungry any more; I wasn't feeling full of energy but I wasn't tired either, and I was very focused for some reason.
- ambicapter 8y ago
  > I was very focused for some reason. Maybe because it was time to hunt... :P
- HorizonXP 8y ago
  Oh same here. Anytime I tell people I do keto, or IF, they lose their minds. The good thing is that I’ve always done my own thing without regard for what others think (hopefully within reason). What you found is exactly how I feel daily. By sticking to keto, that loss of focus is minimized as less energy goes to my gut for digestion.

ep103 8y ago

I've read before that you can totally do it, but you need to eat a lot of vitamins and other things that aren't stored in your fat cells and that you usually get through food, to make sure you survive without significant damage. If, like this guy, you have doctors monitoring you, you'll be okay. If you just try to go about it without eating, you'll eventually end up with a deficiency in something or other, and have health problems until you eat whatever nutrient it is your missing again.

pastaking 8y ago

Paper clearly cites 5 people died from this before from not doing it safely.

jmartinpetersen 8y ago

As I recall the fast itself isn't that dangerous, it's when you start eating again it gets dicey.

code_duck 8y ago
Do you recall for what reasons? Fat storage in metabolism?
- jerrycruncher 8y ago
  There's a host of variables in play: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refeeding_syndrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refeeding_syndrome