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" Its worth it to save the time figuring out eclipse." We talking about people making 100k+ but are worried about spending a few hundred for a better tool. It

" Its worth it to save the time figuring out eclipse." We talking about people making 100k+ but are worried about spending a few hundred for a better tool. It just shows that the same amount of money is valued different in a different context. Spending 500 more for a better laptop is being questioned and two days later you got to dinner with some VPs and they blow more than $200 per person for wine and food.

neves 9y ago
I don't know specifically about InteliJ, but the product price is usually the lowest cost of a closed source solution. I work in a government owned company. We have strict procurement rules that we must obey to buy things. Beyond the procurement bureaucracy, now we have to manage how much licenses we have. The install of a new instance in a user machine must be tracked. A user can't by himself install the software, we must have specialized persons to do it. To setup test and/or disposable environments is a hell. If we reach the maximum of licenses, a high payed employee must spend time searching for who is not using the software to uninstall, and surely the person won't be available. The price is probably the lowest cost of a closed source solution.
- hedora 9y ago
  We had a similar experience with a closed source profiler. We paid for it, and the vendor repeatedly sent armies of sales engineers and even a core developer to help us use it. Because of licensing enforcement mechanisms (we had a site license, FFS), we couldn’t figure out how to push it as part of the product to test or production clusters, so we just use perf, even though it has maybe 1% the functionality, is frequently wrong, and we desperately need the 99% missing functionality.
  - maxxxxx 9y ago
    You definitely have to be careful. Some vendors are awful. Jetbrains is pretty easy though. Pay your subscription and you are ready to go.
- pdubs 9y ago
  JetBrains does a pretty good job making this a bit less painful. They have a license server you install that dishes out floating licenses to IDEs. Floating licenses are released after 2-3 days, so if someone isn't using the product it doesn't consume a license.
coliveira 9y ago
It all depends what of developer you are. If you work as a contractor it makes sense, but people working as employees have no incentive to buy more hardware and/or software.
dnissley 9y ago
I read this the opposite way: it's worth it (buying intellij) to save (the enormous amount of) time (you would spend) figuring out eclipse.
ktosobcy 9y ago
Not everyone lives in US and earns 100k+… However, even you you get 1/3 of that, if having a better tools speeds you up it's still worth it IMHO (thus I took the plunge and migrated from NetBeans to IntelliJ a couple of years back). ad rem - I could never make myself using Eclipse - it always felt like getting in the way instead of helping.

neves 9y ago

I don't know specifically about InteliJ, but the product price is usually the lowest cost of a closed source solution. I work in a government owned company. We have strict procurement rules that we must obey to buy things. Beyond the procurement bureaucracy, now we have to manage how much licenses we have. The install of a new instance in a user machine must be tracked. A user can't by himself install the software, we must have specialized persons to do it. To setup test and/or disposable environments is a hell. If we reach the maximum of licenses, a high payed employee must spend time searching for who is not using the software to uninstall, and surely the person won't be available. The price is probably the lowest cost of a closed source solution.

hedora 9y ago
We had a similar experience with a closed source profiler. We paid for it, and the vendor repeatedly sent armies of sales engineers and even a core developer to help us use it. Because of licensing enforcement mechanisms (we had a site license, FFS), we couldn’t figure out how to push it as part of the product to test or production clusters, so we just use perf, even though it has maybe 1% the functionality, is frequently wrong, and we desperately need the 99% missing functionality.
- maxxxxx 9y ago
  You definitely have to be careful. Some vendors are awful. Jetbrains is pretty easy though. Pay your subscription and you are ready to go.
pdubs 9y ago
JetBrains does a pretty good job making this a bit less painful. They have a license server you install that dishes out floating licenses to IDEs. Floating licenses are released after 2-3 days, so if someone isn't using the product it doesn't consume a license.

coliveira 9y ago

It all depends what of developer you are. If you work as a contractor it makes sense, but people working as employees have no incentive to buy more hardware and/or software.

dnissley 9y ago

I read this the opposite way: it's worth it (buying intellij) to save (the enormous amount of) time (you would spend) figuring out eclipse.

ktosobcy 9y ago

Not everyone lives in US and earns 100k+… However, even you you get 1/3 of that, if having a better tools speeds you up it's still worth it IMHO (thus I took the plunge and migrated from NetBeans to IntelliJ a couple of years back). ad rem - I could never make myself using Eclipse - it always felt like getting in the way instead of helping.