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Is it fair to say that Trump has done more for world peace than Obama now?

by collyw 9y ago

frockington 9y ago
He needs to drone a few more Americans over seas to beat Obama
lmm 9y ago
It'll be 10 years or more before we can really answer that question. Trump's talks could work out exactly as planned or they could trigger a nuclear war, or anything in between. Were Obama's calls on Egypt/Libya/Tunisa/... the right ones for the sake of the long term? It's hard to say we'll ever know for sure.
- misja111 9y ago
  Israel and Saudi Arabia are also getting along surprisingly well lately. See e.g. http://www.euronews.com/2017/12/26/view-saudi-israel-alliance-will-be-driving-force-of-new-middle-east http://www.euronews.com/2017/12/26/view-saudi-israel-allianc...
  - elgenie 9y ago
    That's more about counterbalancing Iran in the region and is an "enemy-of-my-enemy" alliance of convenience. The ability to play Iraq and Iran against each other that used to exist went by the wayside when Saddam was toppled and got replaced with nothing.
- collyw 9y ago
  Obama didn't really do much do justify his world peace prize. Surely getting this far deserves a little credit, no? Or are we all supposed to be of "everything Trump does is bad" line of thinking on here as well? (Looking at the down votes on my original comment, apparently so).
  - FLUX-YOU 9y ago
    Does a guy who does unhinged and angry rants on Fox and Friends seem like someone who's in diplomatic control of the situation?
- jessaustin 9y ago
  I don't think we have to wait any longer to say that Libya has been an unalloyed disaster. It hasn't cost the USA as much as e.g. Iraq. However, ours is not the relevant point of view on this, and our actions in Libya certainly have taken the cake in terms of a functioning, slowly-liberalizing authoritarian government (i.e., "a government") ruling in mostly peaceful fashion over mostly-content adequately-fed-and-doctored people being replaced with... utter omnicidal Mad-Max bedlam. Reporters don't go there anymore, so we have to infer how bad it is, from how many people are attempting to swim to Italy. We did this for no reason at all. The silly pretexts parroted at the time were flimsier than Saddam's putative WMDs.
mcphage 9y ago
Well, he's making a great showing at these peace talks and—wait, what's that? Apparently, I've been misinformed, and he's not at them at all. Huh.
- collyw 9y ago
  Quite a few leaders are giving Trump credit.
  - mcphage 9y ago
    Because they all know the same thing: flattery works wonders on Trump.
  - FLUX-YOU 9y ago
    It's hard to believe them when Trump was doing infantile stuff on Twitter about nuclear buttons. Trump got a gold star for showing up because it costs those leaders literally nothing to pay him lip service, but I think that's it.
flyinglizard 9y ago
Obamas term, while - I guess - good domestically, was an unmitigated disaster globally. It’s been a long time since so many countries were destabilized and so much blood was shed.
- hencq 9y ago
  Yeah, I'm struggling to think how far back we need to go before Obama to find another president under whose watch countries destabilized and blood was shed. Oh wait, what about the president right before that.
  - vuln 9y ago
    Whataboutism?
mychael 9y ago
Yes absolutely. It's kind of a joke that Obama won a Nobel Peace Prize.

Is it fair to say that Trump has done more for world peace than Obama now?

by collyw 9y ago

Is it fair to say that Trump has done more for world peace than Obama now?

frockington 9y ago

He needs to drone a few more Americans over seas to beat Obama

lmm 9y ago

It'll be 10 years or more before we can really answer that question. Trump's talks could work out exactly as planned or they could trigger a nuclear war, or anything in between. Were Obama's calls on Egypt/Libya/Tunisa/... the right ones for the sake of the long term? It's hard to say we'll ever know for sure.

misja111 9y ago
Israel and Saudi Arabia are also getting along surprisingly well lately. See e.g. http://www.euronews.com/2017/12/26/view-saudi-israel-alliance-will-be-driving-force-of-new-middle-east http://www.euronews.com/2017/12/26/view-saudi-israel-allianc...
- elgenie 9y ago
  That's more about counterbalancing Iran in the region and is an "enemy-of-my-enemy" alliance of convenience. The ability to play Iraq and Iran against each other that used to exist went by the wayside when Saddam was toppled and got replaced with nothing.
collyw 9y ago
Obama didn't really do much do justify his world peace prize. Surely getting this far deserves a little credit, no? Or are we all supposed to be of "everything Trump does is bad" line of thinking on here as well? (Looking at the down votes on my original comment, apparently so).
- FLUX-YOU 9y ago
  Does a guy who does unhinged and angry rants on Fox and Friends seem like someone who's in diplomatic control of the situation?
jessaustin 9y ago
I don't think we have to wait any longer to say that Libya has been an unalloyed disaster. It hasn't cost the USA as much as e.g. Iraq. However, ours is not the relevant point of view on this, and our actions in Libya certainly have taken the cake in terms of a functioning, slowly-liberalizing authoritarian government (i.e., "a government") ruling in mostly peaceful fashion over mostly-content adequately-fed-and-doctored people being replaced with... utter omnicidal Mad-Max bedlam. Reporters don't go there anymore, so we have to infer how bad it is, from how many people are attempting to swim to Italy. We did this for no reason at all. The silly pretexts parroted at the time were flimsier than Saddam's putative WMDs.

mcphage 9y ago

Well, he's making a great showing at these peace talks and—wait, what's that? Apparently, I've been misinformed, and he's not at them at all. Huh.

collyw 9y ago
Quite a few leaders are giving Trump credit.
- mcphage 9y ago
  Because they all know the same thing: flattery works wonders on Trump.
- FLUX-YOU 9y ago
  It's hard to believe them when Trump was doing infantile stuff on Twitter about nuclear buttons. Trump got a gold star for showing up because it costs those leaders literally nothing to pay him lip service, but I think that's it.

flyinglizard 9y ago

Obamas term, while - I guess - good domestically, was an unmitigated disaster globally. It’s been a long time since so many countries were destabilized and so much blood was shed.

hencq 9y ago
Yeah, I'm struggling to think how far back we need to go before Obama to find another president under whose watch countries destabilized and blood was shed. Oh wait, what about the president right before that.
- vuln 9y ago
  Whataboutism?

mychael 9y ago

Yes absolutely. It's kind of a joke that Obama won a Nobel Peace Prize.