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What dark patterns do they use, exactly? I've been avoiding the iOS 11.3 update for a while now since I'm waiting for saurik to release his jailbreak, and iOS a

by neotek 8y ago

What dark patterns do they use, exactly? I've been avoiding the iOS 11.3 update for a while now since I'm waiting for saurik to release his jailbreak, and iOS alerts me about 11.3 maybe once a week at most. It pops up a dialog box saying there's a new iOS version, and gives me the option to install now, install later, or defer the decision until the next alert in a week or two. The buttons are clear and meaningful and they don't appear designed to prioritise one option over another. As for phones slowing down as time goes by, no shit - they're hardly likely to get faster as iOS becomes more complex, but Apple goes to extreme lengths to support older phones in a way that no Android phone manufacturer - including Google itself - even comes close to. Personally I think it's ridiculous that Apple doesn't at the very least allow developers (i.e., people who have paid the $99 yearly fee) to downgrade their devices to a previous iOS version, but I don't think they're trying to "trick" anyone.

ksk 8y ago
Two come to mind immediately. For one, they don't allow you to say 'NO' to their constant update nag prompts. The only options are install update or remind me later. The second is the sneaky update prompt during the unlock screen. It is designed to look identical to the regular unlock screen and the 'remind me later' option is designed to blend into the background. Indeed there is no easy way to even tell if the text is clickable. There are plenty more in MacOS too. https://imgur.com/a/Jrn3bX9 https://imgur.com/a/Jrn3bX9 >As for phones slowing down as time goes by, no shit - they're hardly likely to get faster as iOS becomes more complex, Heres an idea to NOT slow them down - Let the user reset them to the factory state. > but Apple goes to extreme lengths to support older phones in a way that no Android phone manufacturer - including Google itself - even comes close to. If slowing down phones to the point of becoming unusable is "supporting them", then I would gladly do without their "support". >Personally I think it's ridiculous that Apple doesn't at the very least allow developers (i.e., people who have paid the $99 yearly fee) to downgrade their devices to a previous iOS version, I don't feel like extorting another $99 (on top of the insane profit margin that ends up in a pile of cash - i.e. not invested in creating more products or towards apple employees) is an acceptable solution in the slightest.
- stouset 8y ago
  > For one, they don't allow you to say 'NO' to their constant update nag prompts. The only options are install update or remind me later. As someone who has to share the Internet with your device: good. If your device is offline and doesn’t have a persistent connection to the Internet, I would understand. But for an iPad or iPhone who spend virtually all of their useful life more or less permanently connected to the Internet? Update. It would be better if there were an option to remain on the current version but with access to anything not on a private network disabled after some period of time (say 6 months).

by neotek 8y ago

ksk 8y ago

Two come to mind immediately. For one, they don't allow you to say 'NO' to their constant update nag prompts. The only options are install update or remind me later. The second is the sneaky update prompt during the unlock screen. It is designed to look identical to the regular unlock screen and the 'remind me later' option is designed to blend into the background. Indeed there is no easy way to even tell if the text is clickable. There are plenty more in MacOS too. https://imgur.com/a/Jrn3bX9 https://imgur.com/a/Jrn3bX9 >As for phones slowing down as time goes by, no shit - they're hardly likely to get faster as iOS becomes more complex, Heres an idea to NOT slow them down - Let the user reset them to the factory state. > but Apple goes to extreme lengths to support older phones in a way that no Android phone manufacturer - including Google itself - even comes close to. If slowing down phones to the point of becoming unusable is "supporting them", then I would gladly do without their "support". >Personally I think it's ridiculous that Apple doesn't at the very least allow developers (i.e., people who have paid the $99 yearly fee) to downgrade their devices to a previous iOS version, I don't feel like extorting another $99 (on top of the insane profit margin that ends up in a pile of cash - i.e. not invested in creating more products or towards apple employees) is an acceptable solution in the slightest.

stouset 8y ago
> For one, they don't allow you to say 'NO' to their constant update nag prompts. The only options are install update or remind me later. As someone who has to share the Internet with your device: good. If your device is offline and doesn’t have a persistent connection to the Internet, I would understand. But for an iPad or iPhone who spend virtually all of their useful life more or less permanently connected to the Internet? Update. It would be better if there were an option to remain on the current version but with access to anything not on a private network disabled after some period of time (say 6 months).