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It sounds like they had semen or saliva from an old rape kit which has been in storage for decades from a GSK rape victim (http://www.nj.com/data/2018/04/how_a_

by gwern 9y ago

It sounds like they had semen or saliva from an old rape kit which has been in storage for decades from a GSK rape victim (http://www.nj.com/data/2018/04/how_a_nj_pathologist_may_have_helped_solve_the_gol.html http://www.nj.com/data/2018/04/how_a_nj_pathologist_may_have...), they sequenced it, uploaded it to the genealogy website, got a hit on one of his relatives, investigated that person's relatives until they noticed one guy fit the GSK profile perfectly (law enforcement training, trouble with the law, right age and height, lived in the right place) and then staked him out until they got a discarded soda can or cigarette butt he tossed or which was in his garbage can (remember, if you put your garbage can out on the street, anyone is allowed to take it!), but the first sample was too degraded for a match and they had to get a second one, which then matched perfectly.

tysonzni 9y ago
Any guesses as to which genealogy website was used? All the services I'm aware of (23andme, Ancestry.com) require that each customer provide their saliva sample.
- andrewem 9y ago
  Note that some services will allow you to upload a spreadsheet of SNPs which you got from another testing service. If the police had access to a non-commercial lab, say a state-run lab in California which can sequence a similar set of SNPs, then they could upload the results to those sites. For instance, FamilyTreeDNA allows raw data uploads, as does MyHeritage, and the non-commercial site gedmatch.com. Edit: or of course they could have sent a saliva sample to one of the genealogy sites, assuming they had enough to part with some, and it was in suitable condition to work with the site's test equipment.
  - gwern 9y ago
    > Edit: or of course they could have sent a saliva sample to one of the genealogy sites, assuming they had enough to part with some, and it was in suitable condition to work with the site's test equipment. That's unlikely without special arrangements. Have you ever done a 23andMe sample? The tube requires a lot of saliva. My understanding it's vastly more saliva than they need and the main reason is to make it impossible to surreptitiously collect enough saliva to genotype someone without their cooperation via 23andMe etc.
  - 100ideas 9y ago
    Here are the specifics on uploading DNA from third-parties for two of the mentioned DNA geneology sites: MyHeritage.com[1]: > "The MyHeritage DNA test enables you to get unique matches to users who have only tested with MyHeritage, as well as matches with users who uploaded their results to MyHeritage from other providers. Thanks to MyHeritage’s wide international reach and availability in more than 40 languages, you will have a greater chance of being matched with relatives who live in other countries. You will also receive a comprehensive ethnicity analysis on MyHeritage, drawing from the largest pool of possible ethnicities in the industry." --- FamilyTreeDNA[2]: > "If you or a family member have previously tested your autosomal DNA at 23andMe© or AncestryDNA™, you can transfer your results to Family Tree DNA by uploading your raw data file. After transferring your file, your autosomal data is uploaded to our database, one of the world’s largest genetic genealogy databases. "When you transfer, for free, you will receive a list of your autosomal matches from our database and have access to our Family Finder – Matrix. The Matrix feature allows you to select and compare the autosomal DNA relationship between up to ten of your matches at one time." Please note that you can only transfer the following file versions: - 23andMe© V3 - 23andMe© V4 - AncestryDNA™ V1 - AncestryDNA™ V2 [1]: https://www.myheritage.com/dna https://www.myheritage.com/dna (https://web.archive.org/web/20180423021411/https://www.myheritage.com/dna https://web.archive.org/web/20180423021411/https://www.myher...) [2] https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/imports/transfer-autosomal-ancestry/family-tree-dna-family-finder-transfer-program/ https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/imports/transfer-autosom... (https://web.archive.org/web/20170318130533/https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/imports/transfer-autosomal-ancestry/family-tree-dna-family-finder-transfer-program/ https://web.archive.org/web/20170318130533/https://www.famil...)
- LyndsySimon 9y ago
  I uploaded the SNP results from an Ancestry.com test to 23andme just last night. Other services like Gedmatch, do the same thing.
- gwern 9y ago
  It's turned out to be GEDmatch.com: https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/04/26/ancestry-23andme-deny-assisting-law-enforcement-in-east-area-rapist-case/amp/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/04/26/ancestry-23andme-deny...
astura 9y ago
I've been following this one pretty closely. You're right from what I've read except the first test wasn't degraded, it matched too. The second test was just a confirmation.

by gwern 9y ago

tysonzni 9y ago

Any guesses as to which genealogy website was used? All the services I'm aware of (23andme, Ancestry.com) require that each customer provide their saliva sample.

andrewem 9y ago
Note that some services will allow you to upload a spreadsheet of SNPs which you got from another testing service. If the police had access to a non-commercial lab, say a state-run lab in California which can sequence a similar set of SNPs, then they could upload the results to those sites. For instance, FamilyTreeDNA allows raw data uploads, as does MyHeritage, and the non-commercial site gedmatch.com. Edit: or of course they could have sent a saliva sample to one of the genealogy sites, assuming they had enough to part with some, and it was in suitable condition to work with the site's test equipment.
- gwern 9y ago
  > Edit: or of course they could have sent a saliva sample to one of the genealogy sites, assuming they had enough to part with some, and it was in suitable condition to work with the site's test equipment. That's unlikely without special arrangements. Have you ever done a 23andMe sample? The tube requires a lot of saliva. My understanding it's vastly more saliva than they need and the main reason is to make it impossible to surreptitiously collect enough saliva to genotype someone without their cooperation via 23andMe etc.
- 100ideas 9y ago
  Here are the specifics on uploading DNA from third-parties for two of the mentioned DNA geneology sites: MyHeritage.com[1]: > "The MyHeritage DNA test enables you to get unique matches to users who have only tested with MyHeritage, as well as matches with users who uploaded their results to MyHeritage from other providers. Thanks to MyHeritage’s wide international reach and availability in more than 40 languages, you will have a greater chance of being matched with relatives who live in other countries. You will also receive a comprehensive ethnicity analysis on MyHeritage, drawing from the largest pool of possible ethnicities in the industry." --- FamilyTreeDNA[2]: > "If you or a family member have previously tested your autosomal DNA at 23andMe© or AncestryDNA™, you can transfer your results to Family Tree DNA by uploading your raw data file. After transferring your file, your autosomal data is uploaded to our database, one of the world’s largest genetic genealogy databases. "When you transfer, for free, you will receive a list of your autosomal matches from our database and have access to our Family Finder – Matrix. The Matrix feature allows you to select and compare the autosomal DNA relationship between up to ten of your matches at one time." Please note that you can only transfer the following file versions: - 23andMe© V3 - 23andMe© V4 - AncestryDNA™ V1 - AncestryDNA™ V2 [1]: https://www.myheritage.com/dna https://www.myheritage.com/dna (https://web.archive.org/web/20180423021411/https://www.myheritage.com/dna https://web.archive.org/web/20180423021411/https://www.myher...) [2] https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/imports/transfer-autosomal-ancestry/family-tree-dna-family-finder-transfer-program/ https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/imports/transfer-autosom... (https://web.archive.org/web/20170318130533/https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/imports/transfer-autosomal-ancestry/family-tree-dna-family-finder-transfer-program/ https://web.archive.org/web/20170318130533/https://www.famil...)
LyndsySimon 9y ago
I uploaded the SNP results from an Ancestry.com test to 23andme just last night. Other services like Gedmatch, do the same thing.
gwern 9y ago
It's turned out to be GEDmatch.com: https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/04/26/ancestry-23andme-deny-assisting-law-enforcement-in-east-area-rapist-case/amp/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/04/26/ancestry-23andme-deny...

astura 9y ago

I've been following this one pretty closely. You're right from what I've read except the first test wasn't degraded, it matched too. The second test was just a confirmation.