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Right. So let's not do that. Instead of waiting for minorities to speak up, you should complain right away when an online environment turns toxic. Since we wer

Right. So let's not do that. Instead of waiting for minorities to speak up, you should complain right away when an online environment turns toxic. Since we were not aware until today that minorities received more hostility on SO, that means users really don't know other users' gender and ethnicity, so it's not like anyone will call you a sissy girl for speaking up.

leereeves 8y ago
We have been complaining about hostility on SO for years. It's debatable whether women and minorities actually do receive more hostility on SO, they're more likely to speak up, or SO's management is simply more responsive to their complaints.
- saint_fiasco 8y ago
  It's also debatable whether we are living in a simulation or we are actually brains in a jar, or maybe only you are real and I'm a conversational AI. But it's pointless to debate things that don't and can't change what we choose to do. Notice that all three of your proposed hypothesis can't change the fact that SO isn't very welcoming and they want to change that.
  - leereeves 8y ago
    Awareness of this phenomenon can change what we choose to do. Rather than ignoring or mocking complaints from white men, we could choose to listen.
    - saint_fiasco 8y ago
      I think I get it. They could have chosen to act faster, before being forced to act by the politics of inclusivity. I personally don't mind though. In my city many positive quality of life changes were made only after some disabled people complained. I benefit from those changes too, so I don't mind the delay as long as it eventually gets done.
      - leereeves 8y ago
        I agree, if someone (SO, your city, or anyone else) finally improves their community in a way that benefits everyone, that's a good thing. And if, as is often the case, past complaints had little effect until a particularly favored interest group spoke up, it's also an opportunity to listen more effectively to people who may have been ignored.

leereeves 8y ago

We have been complaining about hostility on SO for years. It's debatable whether women and minorities actually do receive more hostility on SO, they're more likely to speak up, or SO's management is simply more responsive to their complaints.

saint_fiasco 8y ago
It's also debatable whether we are living in a simulation or we are actually brains in a jar, or maybe only you are real and I'm a conversational AI. But it's pointless to debate things that don't and can't change what we choose to do. Notice that all three of your proposed hypothesis can't change the fact that SO isn't very welcoming and they want to change that.
- leereeves 8y ago
  Awareness of this phenomenon can change what we choose to do. Rather than ignoring or mocking complaints from white men, we could choose to listen.
  - saint_fiasco 8y ago
    I think I get it. They could have chosen to act faster, before being forced to act by the politics of inclusivity. I personally don't mind though. In my city many positive quality of life changes were made only after some disabled people complained. I benefit from those changes too, so I don't mind the delay as long as it eventually gets done.
    - leereeves 8y ago
      I agree, if someone (SO, your city, or anyone else) finally improves their community in a way that benefits everyone, that's a good thing. And if, as is often the case, past complaints had little effect until a particularly favored interest group spoke up, it's also an opportunity to listen more effectively to people who may have been ignored.