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It's sort of ironic considering France's history with Minitel[0] and encryption[1]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minitel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mi
by kuwze 8y ago
It's sort of ironic considering France's history with Minitel[0] and encryption[1].
[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minitel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minitel
[1]: https://www.forbes.com/forbes/1997/1201/6012058a.html#75b6a624262f https://www.forbes.com/forbes/1997/1201/6012058a.html#75b6a6...
Specifically from [1] is the line:
"Its illegal in France to encrypt any communication in any way unless you have permission from the government. How is electronic commerce going to get off the ground in such a society? Good question, which appears not to have occurred to the authorities."
- Arathorn 8y agoI would see this as a positive step - it’s a lot harder to legislate against E2E crypto for the populous when the govt is relying on it :)
- riazrizvi 8y agoIt's pretty common. Almost all EU governments reserve the right to decrypt encrypted communications by law, also India, Russia, China, Australia. Here's a map https://www.gp-digital.org/world-map-of-encryption/ https://www.gp-digital.org/world-map-of-encryption/, click 'Powers to intercept...'
- Jaepa 8y agoI've always wondered about that. The law says Criminal Procedure Code: Article 230, modified by Law No. 2001-1062 and Law No. 2014-1353 requires the disclosure of encryption keys upon the authorization of a judge. So what happens if the connection uses diffie-hellman or double ratchet (as Matrix can use)? the intermediate doesn't have any useful keys to turn over.
- SiempreViernes 8y agoI expect you get convicted for not turning over the keys I assume, unless its clear that some other service provided made that technical choice for you in which case hopefully they get convicted.
- Jaepa 8y agoThe US used to regulate "exports" of cryptography under the U.S. Munitions List. Some of the restrictions still remain, but most of them were gradually relaxed in until 2000.
- Uberphallus 8y agoI can't even download FPGA toolchains like a regular person without an account saying I live in the US and a US VPN to support my claim. FPGAs still accounted as ammo, even if you get the dev boards from China. I'm looking at you, Xilinx.
- rjsw 8y agoI don't live in the US and downloaded the latest Xilinx tools earlier this week, don't work for a US company either.
- Uberphallus 8y agoIt's a hit or miss, and sometimes accounts get "flagged". From France I didn't have a problem until I connected from Ukraine; since then I have to always fill the infamous "download workaround form" that may or may not succeed, in the best case you get the download link in an email a few days later. Also the download workaround form doesn't let you select the most recent versions of Vivado and ISE.
- severus_snape 8y agoThankfully, since 2004, the law for trust in the digital economy[0] (LCEN) mostly liberalized the use of cryptography[1]. [0]: https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichTexte.do?cidTexte=JORFTEXT000000801164#LEGISCTA000006136109 https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichTexte.do?cidTexte=JORFT... [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptography_law#France https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptography_law#France
- hokkos 8y agoIt has nothing to do with Minitel as it is a private government only slack-like tool. And the encryption restriction is long gone like in the US. Why there is alway francophobes in threads like that ?
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