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I'm very unfamiliar with gnome as an organization. What are the political reasons you're referencing?

by syndev 8y ago

yAnonymous 8y ago
>The GNOME Foundation has run into cash flow problems [...] got into this situation through its Outreach Program for Women [...] "The Outreach Program for Women (OPW) helps women (cis and trans) and genderqueer get involved in free and open source software." https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTY2Mjc https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTY2Mjc
- Karunamon 8y ago
  Really, GNOME's problem is the low quality of their software and poor responsiveness to user feedback and needs, not inane social initiatives. So long as Red Hat is one of their primary sponsors, it's not going anywhere.
- SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
  You're saying their software is poor quality* because they employ... Women? * Your opinion, not mine.
  - RightMillennial 8y ago
    That is a deliberate mischaracterization of the OP's comment. It in no way implies that the software is poor because of women. The outreach program is political, and is rather discriminatory and sexist.
    - IAmEveryone 8y ago
      Targeted programs to increase diversity are not sexist, in the same way that taking a bank robber’s loot and giving it back is not theft.
      - yellowapple 8y ago
        "taking a bank robber’s loot and giving it back is not theft." I mean, that is technically theft. It's just very obviously justified theft in response to a previous theft (assuming you prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it is in fact the bank robber from whom you're taking the money).
        IAmEveryone 8y ago
        It's not. Here's the definition from wikipedia: " theft is the taking of another person's property without that person's permission with the intent to deprive the lawful owner of it" ...but that's really not the point here, is it?
        yellowapple 8y ago
        No, it's not the point at all. I just like going off on these sorts of weird tangents :) Curiously, Wiktionary has a different definition: "The act of stealing property". "Property" in turn has a lot of different definitions, the first being "Something that is owned". Relevantly, neither definition specifies by whom the property is owned; as long as it's someone's property, stealing it is technically "theft" under this sort of broad definition. Merriam-Webster seems to agree more with you than it does with me ("[...] the felonious taking and removing of personal property with intent to deprive the rightful owner of it" / "an unlawful taking [...] of property"), while Dictionary.com seems to be similarly vague ("the act of stealing", though this is lumped in with "the wrongful taking and carrying away of the personal goods or property of another" and "larceny").
      - RightMillennial 8y ago
        If a program deliberately excludes one sex, is it not sexist?
        IAmEveryone 8y ago
        Targeted programs to increase diversity are not sexist, in the same way that taking a bank robber’s loot and giving it back is not theft.
- IAmEveryone 8y ago
  You are blaming problems with Ubuntu 18.4 on a project to encourage diversity from 2013? And apart from the 5 years since: it seems the problems were administrative, having nothing to do with the actual content of the program? Any other problems in your life that’d easily go away if only these women weren’t meddling?
- pseudalopex 8y ago
  You chose to leave out that OPW was an internship program that GNOME managed on behalf of a number of organizations, that they simply fell behind on sending out invoices and collecting late payments, and that this took place 4-5 years ago. How does any of that show that GNOME has compromised technical hiring for political reasons?

I'm very unfamiliar with gnome as an organization. What are the political reasons you're referencing?

by syndev 8y ago

I'm very unfamiliar with gnome as an organization. What are the political reasons you're referencing?

>The GNOME Foundation has run into cash flow problems [...] got into this situation through its Outreach Program for Women [...] "The Outreach Program for Women (OPW) helps women (cis and trans) and genderqueer get involved in free and open source software." https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTY2Mjc https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTY2Mjc

Karunamon 8y ago
Really, GNOME's problem is the low quality of their software and poor responsiveness to user feedback and needs, not inane social initiatives. So long as Red Hat is one of their primary sponsors, it's not going anywhere.
SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
You're saying their software is poor quality* because they employ... Women? * Your opinion, not mine.
- RightMillennial 8y ago
  That is a deliberate mischaracterization of the OP's comment. It in no way implies that the software is poor because of women. The outreach program is political, and is rather discriminatory and sexist.
  - IAmEveryone 8y ago
    Targeted programs to increase diversity are not sexist, in the same way that taking a bank robber’s loot and giving it back is not theft.
    - yellowapple 8y ago
      "taking a bank robber’s loot and giving it back is not theft." I mean, that is technically theft. It's just very obviously justified theft in response to a previous theft (assuming you prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it is in fact the bank robber from whom you're taking the money).
      - IAmEveryone 8y ago
        It's not. Here's the definition from wikipedia: " theft is the taking of another person's property without that person's permission with the intent to deprive the lawful owner of it" ...but that's really not the point here, is it?
        yellowapple 8y ago
        No, it's not the point at all. I just like going off on these sorts of weird tangents :) Curiously, Wiktionary has a different definition: "The act of stealing property". "Property" in turn has a lot of different definitions, the first being "Something that is owned". Relevantly, neither definition specifies by whom the property is owned; as long as it's someone's property, stealing it is technically "theft" under this sort of broad definition. Merriam-Webster seems to agree more with you than it does with me ("[...] the felonious taking and removing of personal property with intent to deprive the rightful owner of it" / "an unlawful taking [...] of property"), while Dictionary.com seems to be similarly vague ("the act of stealing", though this is lumped in with "the wrongful taking and carrying away of the personal goods or property of another" and "larceny").
    - RightMillennial 8y ago
      If a program deliberately excludes one sex, is it not sexist?
      - IAmEveryone 8y ago
        Targeted programs to increase diversity are not sexist, in the same way that taking a bank robber’s loot and giving it back is not theft.
IAmEveryone 8y ago
You are blaming problems with Ubuntu 18.4 on a project to encourage diversity from 2013? And apart from the 5 years since: it seems the problems were administrative, having nothing to do with the actual content of the program? Any other problems in your life that’d easily go away if only these women weren’t meddling?
pseudalopex 8y ago
You chose to leave out that OPW was an internship program that GNOME managed on behalf of a number of organizations, that they simply fell behind on sending out invoices and collecting late payments, and that this took place 4-5 years ago. How does any of that show that GNOME has compromised technical hiring for political reasons?