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It seems like none of the dumb GNOME warts were plastered over. There's still the idiotic, screen-taking-over activities menu (because, yknow, it should take 3

It seems like none of the dumb GNOME warts were plastered over. There's still the idiotic, screen-taking-over activities menu (because, yknow, it should take 3840x2160 pixels to show a fucking app launcher. Did nobody learn from Windows 8? The GNOME devs are officially more hard-headed than Microsoft - an achievement of some note) There's still the swipe-to-unlock desktop There's the default Apple scrolling behavior The author said it best: I spend every day in a state of permanent quixotic hope that eventually humanity will comes to its senses and realize that computers and mobile devices are different kinds of technology with different purposes and different usage patterns. Seriously, GNOME is a touch UI. The large buttons, the swipe mechanics, everything. Except nobody uses GNOME on the mobile devices it appears to be made for!

yAnonymous 9y ago
GNOME is what you get when you build a team for political reasons instead of hiring good developers and designers. To make it good you'd have to exchange the whole team first. It's LXDE for me from here on out.
- my123 9y ago
  KDE is sane these days, and separates mobile and desktop UIs too!
  - Karunamon 9y ago
    They took a few too many gulps of the flat design kool-aid for my taste, but at least KDE hasn't forgotten who its users are or what kind of devices those users are installing it on.
- syndev 9y ago
  I'm very unfamiliar with gnome as an organization. What are the political reasons you're referencing?
  - yAnonymous 9y ago
    >The GNOME Foundation has run into cash flow problems [...] got into this situation through its Outreach Program for Women [...] "The Outreach Program for Women (OPW) helps women (cis and trans) and genderqueer get involved in free and open source software." https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTY2Mjc https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTY2Mjc
    - Karunamon 9y ago
      Really, GNOME's problem is the low quality of their software and poor responsiveness to user feedback and needs, not inane social initiatives. So long as Red Hat is one of their primary sponsors, it's not going anywhere.
    - SmellyGeekBoy 9y ago
      You're saying their software is poor quality* because they employ... Women? * Your opinion, not mine.
      - RightMillennial 9y ago
        That is a deliberate mischaracterization of the OP's comment. It in no way implies that the software is poor because of women. The outreach program is political, and is rather discriminatory and sexist.
        IAmEveryone 9y ago
        Targeted programs to increase diversity are not sexist, in the same way that taking a bank robber’s loot and giving it back is not theft.
        yellowapple 9y ago
        "taking a bank robber’s loot and giving it back is not theft." I mean, that is technically theft. It's just very obviously justified theft in response to a previous theft (assuming you prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it is in fact the bank robber from whom you're taking the money).
ThrowawayR2 9y ago
> There's still the idiotic, screen-taking-over activities menu (because, yknow, it should take 3840x2160 pixels to show a fucking app launcher. Did nobody learn from Windows 8? Launchpad on the Mac takes over the full screen too and I never hear anyone gripe about that.
- Karunamon 9y ago
  Except Launchpad is entirely optional and not default for anything beyond being in the dock on new accounts. GNOME, meanwhile, binds that thing to a top-left hot corner as well as the meta key, and it's the main way to search for stuff (meta key, start typing), and it's the only way to switch workspaces. Of course, you can install a bunch of addons to work around some of this, but we're talking about sane defaults. GNOMEs are not.
unethical_ban 9y ago
>There's the default Apple scrolling behavior Everyone has preferences, but the "apple" behavior makes so much sense. It's the first thing I change when I install a laptop OS.
- yellowapple 9y ago
  I use the default scroll direction (down is down, up is up) with mouse wheels, but invert it for touchpads. It just feels more correct; with the wheel, it feels like the bottom of the wheel is the thing moving the page up, while with the touchpad it feels like it should be moving the page directly. Works almost perfectly. The only problem is the Slack desktop app (which inexplicably ignores the settings for literally every other Linux desktop app and fails to invert my touchpad scrolling).
  - Izkata 9y ago
    Meanwhile, I can't stand that way. For me, that means having to think about it and switch direction depending on which one I'm using (which happens several times a day at work, depends on if my laptop is docked or not). I prefer it where if I want to scroll down, I just drag my finger down, regardless of whether it's on the touchpad or the mouse.
    - unethical_ban 9y ago
      Think of the scrollwheel as sitting above the screen. When you roll the wheel down, the bottom of the wheel is going up, moving the screen up. The touchpad IS the screen, so to speak, so moving the finger up would move the screen down. That's how I visualize it. YMMV

yAnonymous 9y ago

GNOME is what you get when you build a team for political reasons instead of hiring good developers and designers. To make it good you'd have to exchange the whole team first. It's LXDE for me from here on out.

my123 9y ago
KDE is sane these days, and separates mobile and desktop UIs too!
- Karunamon 9y ago
  They took a few too many gulps of the flat design kool-aid for my taste, but at least KDE hasn't forgotten who its users are or what kind of devices those users are installing it on.
syndev 9y ago
I'm very unfamiliar with gnome as an organization. What are the political reasons you're referencing?
- yAnonymous 9y ago
  >The GNOME Foundation has run into cash flow problems [...] got into this situation through its Outreach Program for Women [...] "The Outreach Program for Women (OPW) helps women (cis and trans) and genderqueer get involved in free and open source software." https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTY2Mjc https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTY2Mjc
  - Karunamon 9y ago
    Really, GNOME's problem is the low quality of their software and poor responsiveness to user feedback and needs, not inane social initiatives. So long as Red Hat is one of their primary sponsors, it's not going anywhere.
  - SmellyGeekBoy 9y ago
    You're saying their software is poor quality* because they employ... Women? * Your opinion, not mine.
    - RightMillennial 9y ago
      That is a deliberate mischaracterization of the OP's comment. It in no way implies that the software is poor because of women. The outreach program is political, and is rather discriminatory and sexist.
      - IAmEveryone 9y ago
        Targeted programs to increase diversity are not sexist, in the same way that taking a bank robber’s loot and giving it back is not theft.
        yellowapple 9y ago
        "taking a bank robber’s loot and giving it back is not theft." I mean, that is technically theft. It's just very obviously justified theft in response to a previous theft (assuming you prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it is in fact the bank robber from whom you're taking the money).

ThrowawayR2 9y ago

> There's still the idiotic, screen-taking-over activities menu (because, yknow, it should take 3840x2160 pixels to show a fucking app launcher. Did nobody learn from Windows 8? Launchpad on the Mac takes over the full screen too and I never hear anyone gripe about that.

Karunamon 9y ago
Except Launchpad is entirely optional and not default for anything beyond being in the dock on new accounts. GNOME, meanwhile, binds that thing to a top-left hot corner as well as the meta key, and it's the main way to search for stuff (meta key, start typing), and it's the only way to switch workspaces. Of course, you can install a bunch of addons to work around some of this, but we're talking about sane defaults. GNOMEs are not.

unethical_ban 9y ago

>There's the default Apple scrolling behavior Everyone has preferences, but the "apple" behavior makes so much sense. It's the first thing I change when I install a laptop OS.

yellowapple 9y ago
I use the default scroll direction (down is down, up is up) with mouse wheels, but invert it for touchpads. It just feels more correct; with the wheel, it feels like the bottom of the wheel is the thing moving the page up, while with the touchpad it feels like it should be moving the page directly. Works almost perfectly. The only problem is the Slack desktop app (which inexplicably ignores the settings for literally every other Linux desktop app and fails to invert my touchpad scrolling).
- Izkata 9y ago
  Meanwhile, I can't stand that way. For me, that means having to think about it and switch direction depending on which one I'm using (which happens several times a day at work, depends on if my laptop is docked or not). I prefer it where if I want to scroll down, I just drag my finger down, regardless of whether it's on the touchpad or the mouse.
  - unethical_ban 9y ago
    Think of the scrollwheel as sitting above the screen. When you roll the wheel down, the bottom of the wheel is going up, moving the screen up. The touchpad IS the screen, so to speak, so moving the finger up would move the screen down. That's how I visualize it. YMMV