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Ubuntu is dead for me since the release where they were sending the data you typed in the internal search across the internet. And Shuttleworth claimed it's not

by TekMol 9y ago

Ubuntu is dead for me since the release where they were sending the data you typed in the internal search across the internet. And Shuttleworth claimed it's not a big deal. Since then, I'm a happy Linux Mint user. And since we are talking about Linux distros: I tried a bunch of times to live with a distro that has no start bar at the bottom. Even after a few weeks my productivity does not recover. It's a mistery to me how you can live without it. I happily stick with the Mate desktop which has it.

Thaxll 9y ago
Mint the distro with shity security model right? You better stay with Ubuntu / Debian they know what they're doing on that side.
- DataWorker 9y ago
  What was wrong with mint exactly?
  - deleted 9y ago
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  - nmbr213 9y ago
    This, I guess https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/02/linux-mint-hit-by-malware-infection-on-its-website-and-forum-after-hack-attack/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/02/linux...
  - facorreia 9y ago
    Their website was hacked once... I'm a happy Linux Mint user. I've used every major OS in the last 30 years, and that's the one I like the most. There will be a new release soon based on Ubuntu 18.04.
  - Thaxll 9y ago
    See this: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/60ddd4/comments_on_linux_mints_security_record/df5mwbb/ https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/60ddd4/comments_on_l...
  - jcastro 9y ago
    They turn off kernel security updates by default.
- TekMol 9y ago
  Well, I told you why I don't use Ubuntu. Debian... The initial reason I switched from Debian to Ubuntu was that Ubuntu included non-free drivers out of the box. Up to Debian 8, I tried it on the desktop on every major release. And every time my wifi did not work out of the box. So I would have to get a cable to finish the installation or make some extra medium with the non-free drivers. And then I'm "Nahh... I'll stick with a distro that has the non-free drivers included right away". I have not tried Debian 9 yet.
- SmellyGeekBoy 9y ago
  Their forum got hacked, it had absolutely nothing to do with the security of their OS.
  - pritambaral 9y ago
    Didn't their iso-server also get hacked?
yAnonymous 9y ago
I'll take an Amazon integration that I can disable and that helps Canonical finance Ubuntu over an unprofessional security model any day.
rlpb 9y ago
> the data you typed in the internal search Your problem is that you viewed it as an internal search, when it was designed and advertised as a global search. If you want to argue that the global search should have been an internal search, that's fine. If you imply that the search was an internal search, though, then that's misleading FUD.
- Carioca 9y ago
  It had been an internal search in previous releases, no?
- yellowapple 9y ago
  "it was designed and advertised as a global search" No it was not. There were Lenses that were advertised as non-local searches, yes, but the main Lens was (to my recollection) not one of them. What actually happened was that Canonical took the main search bar (which had traditionally been designed to search for local files and programs) and stuck Amazon search results in it. Then, when users (like myself) recommended the reasonable approach of "just stick the Amazon stuff in a dedicated Shopping Lens and leave the main Lens for local searches like it was before", Shuttleworth and friends doubled down. Before that point, I was a happy Ubuntu user who - though I liked Gnome2 a lot - was at least willing to use Unity. After that point, I stopped using Ubuntu entirely and started my quest to find a new distro (Mint → Debian → Fedora → Gentoo → Arch → Slackware → Debian again → openSUSE → Slackware).
  - rlpb 9y ago
    > There were Lenses that were advertised as non-local searches, yes, but the main Lens was (to my recollection) not one of them. The label got changed to "Search your computer and online sources". I believe this was after a few iterations. I don't remember the original text, but I think it's clear that there was no intention to mislead users.
    - yellowapple 9y ago
      Even assuming there was no intention (of which I'm skeptical), that doesn't mean users weren't misled anyway.
gpdpocketer 9y ago
I use Ubuntu-Studio, which doesn't do this. People seem to forget that Ubuntu is just the front door. You can totally turn all their crap off, run some other window manager, and avoid all the turdburgers. True fact, the only reason it is that way is you didn't do something about it. If you want to argue about the reasons behind it being a default, thats one thing. But please, for the sake of those of us who use Ubuntu- and its derivatives on a daily basis, please do not sally the water with piss-taking .. you most certainly do not have to stay at the front door.
- cat199 9y ago
  > People seem to forget that Ubuntu is just the front door. You can totally turn all their crap off, run some other window manager, and avoid all the turdburgers. soo... run debian?
- RaleyField 9y ago
  > People seem to forget that Ubuntu is just the front door. You can totally turn all their crap off The issue is trust. I don't like my companies trying dark patterns on me, even if it's in ToS.
RaleyField 9y ago
> Since then, I'm a happy Linux Mint user. Mint defaulted DNS server to OpenDNS.

by TekMol 9y ago

Thaxll 9y ago

Mint the distro with shity security model right? You better stay with Ubuntu / Debian they know what they're doing on that side.

DataWorker 9y ago
What was wrong with mint exactly?
- deleted 9y ago
  [deleted]
- nmbr213 9y ago
  This, I guess https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/02/linux-mint-hit-by-malware-infection-on-its-website-and-forum-after-hack-attack/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/02/linux...
- facorreia 9y ago
  Their website was hacked once... I'm a happy Linux Mint user. I've used every major OS in the last 30 years, and that's the one I like the most. There will be a new release soon based on Ubuntu 18.04.
- Thaxll 9y ago
  See this: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/60ddd4/comments_on_linux_mints_security_record/df5mwbb/ https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/60ddd4/comments_on_l...
- jcastro 9y ago
  They turn off kernel security updates by default.
TekMol 9y ago
Well, I told you why I don't use Ubuntu. Debian... The initial reason I switched from Debian to Ubuntu was that Ubuntu included non-free drivers out of the box. Up to Debian 8, I tried it on the desktop on every major release. And every time my wifi did not work out of the box. So I would have to get a cable to finish the installation or make some extra medium with the non-free drivers. And then I'm "Nahh... I'll stick with a distro that has the non-free drivers included right away". I have not tried Debian 9 yet.
SmellyGeekBoy 9y ago
Their forum got hacked, it had absolutely nothing to do with the security of their OS.
- pritambaral 9y ago
  Didn't their iso-server also get hacked?

yAnonymous 9y ago

I'll take an Amazon integration that I can disable and that helps Canonical finance Ubuntu over an unprofessional security model any day.

rlpb 9y ago

> the data you typed in the internal search Your problem is that you viewed it as an internal search, when it was designed and advertised as a global search. If you want to argue that the global search should have been an internal search, that's fine. If you imply that the search was an internal search, though, then that's misleading FUD.

Carioca 9y ago
It had been an internal search in previous releases, no?
yellowapple 9y ago
"it was designed and advertised as a global search" No it was not. There were Lenses that were advertised as non-local searches, yes, but the main Lens was (to my recollection) not one of them. What actually happened was that Canonical took the main search bar (which had traditionally been designed to search for local files and programs) and stuck Amazon search results in it. Then, when users (like myself) recommended the reasonable approach of "just stick the Amazon stuff in a dedicated Shopping Lens and leave the main Lens for local searches like it was before", Shuttleworth and friends doubled down. Before that point, I was a happy Ubuntu user who - though I liked Gnome2 a lot - was at least willing to use Unity. After that point, I stopped using Ubuntu entirely and started my quest to find a new distro (Mint → Debian → Fedora → Gentoo → Arch → Slackware → Debian again → openSUSE → Slackware).
- rlpb 9y ago
  > There were Lenses that were advertised as non-local searches, yes, but the main Lens was (to my recollection) not one of them. The label got changed to "Search your computer and online sources". I believe this was after a few iterations. I don't remember the original text, but I think it's clear that there was no intention to mislead users.
  - yellowapple 9y ago
    Even assuming there was no intention (of which I'm skeptical), that doesn't mean users weren't misled anyway.

gpdpocketer 9y ago

I use Ubuntu-Studio, which doesn't do this. People seem to forget that Ubuntu is just the front door. You can totally turn all their crap off, run some other window manager, and avoid all the turdburgers. True fact, the only reason it is that way is you didn't do something about it. If you want to argue about the reasons behind it being a default, thats one thing. But please, for the sake of those of us who use Ubuntu- and its derivatives on a daily basis, please do not sally the water with piss-taking .. you most certainly do not have to stay at the front door.

cat199 9y ago
> People seem to forget that Ubuntu is just the front door. You can totally turn all their crap off, run some other window manager, and avoid all the turdburgers. soo... run debian?
RaleyField 9y ago
> People seem to forget that Ubuntu is just the front door. You can totally turn all their crap off The issue is trust. I don't like my companies trying dark patterns on me, even if it's in ToS.

RaleyField 9y ago

> Since then, I'm a happy Linux Mint user. Mint defaulted DNS server to OpenDNS.