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I have never been in any Teslas car. But I am so curious about this: >Quality of Teslas by most accounts is terrible Can you elaborate a little bit about this

by 0xFFC 8y ago

I have never been in any Teslas car. But I am so curious about this: >Quality of Teslas by most accounts is terrible Can you elaborate a little bit about this?

emptyfile 8y ago
https://www.google.com/search?q=tesla+quality+control+issues&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-ab https://www.google.com/search?q=tesla+quality+control+issues...
- alphydan 8y ago
  Googling "toyota quality control issues" returns news about a recall of 1.75 million cars. So it seems the "reliable" brands have the same problems. Unless we can quantify it better, it's hard to compare.
  - george_morgan 8y ago
    JD Power typically produce rankings of faults per 100 vehicles, which seems to be the best metric: http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/jd-power-2018-us-vehicle-dependability-study http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/jd-power-2018-us-vehic... Unfortunately Tesla aren't part of this study.
  - octorian 8y ago
    Except when Toyota does a recall, its just a note in the mail and a little extra work at your next service appointment. When Tesla does a recall, its a major headline news story and fodder for many forum trolls to use in their rants against the company. (plus, a notice and a little extra work at your next service appointment)
nvarsj 8y ago
Peruse Tesla owner forums and reddit. The model 3 in particular has quality issues on brand new cars. Compare it to buying a Honda or Toyota - you're not going to have the kinds of problems described.
- NickM 8y ago
  Well of course you're going to see people post about issues they're having if you look on forums. Nobody goes out of their way to look on forums and make posts sharing their frustration over the lack of problems they have with their car.
  - nvarsj 8y ago
    I've been on Honda and Toyota forums in the past, and there was nothing like "my car panels are misaligned fresh out of the factory".
    - NickM 8y ago
      Come on, I'm trying to be scientific about this and you're just going to swing in with a rude, ad hominem argument about "Tesla fanboys"? Claiming that Tesla having bad QC is "common knowledge" doesn't somehow insulate you and your friends from stuff like confirmation bias. And to address your other point, if you search the web for panel alignment issues on Honda or Toyota cars there seem to be plenty of those out there as well.
      - nvarsj 8y ago
        Fair enough! My main point was it's not clear that engineers at Tesla are better than those elsewhere. Even if all car companies are terrible. The other biases are my own, and are purely anecdotal based on my own experience and what others tell me. I'll leave it to other people with more time to do a scientific comparison.
- sowbug 8y ago
  I did what you asked. I stopped after a few minutes. http://www.odyclub.com/forums/54-2011-2017-odyssey/197033-body-panel-alignment-what-normal.html#/topics/197033 http://www.odyclub.com/forums/54-2011-2017-odyssey/197033-bo... https://www.civicx.com/threads/any-issues-so-far-fit-finish-panel-alignment-etc.883/ https://www.civicx.com/threads/any-issues-so-far-fit-finish-... https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/misaligned-rear-bumper.523509/ https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/misaligned-rear-bumper.5...

by 0xFFC 8y ago

I have never been in any Teslas car. But I am so curious about this: >Quality of Teslas by most accounts is terrible Can you elaborate a little bit about this?

emptyfile 8y ago

https://www.google.com/search?q=tesla+quality+control+issues&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-ab https://www.google.com/search?q=tesla+quality+control+issues...

alphydan 8y ago
Googling "toyota quality control issues" returns news about a recall of 1.75 million cars. So it seems the "reliable" brands have the same problems. Unless we can quantify it better, it's hard to compare.
- george_morgan 8y ago
  JD Power typically produce rankings of faults per 100 vehicles, which seems to be the best metric: http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/jd-power-2018-us-vehicle-dependability-study http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/jd-power-2018-us-vehic... Unfortunately Tesla aren't part of this study.
- octorian 8y ago
  Except when Toyota does a recall, its just a note in the mail and a little extra work at your next service appointment. When Tesla does a recall, its a major headline news story and fodder for many forum trolls to use in their rants against the company. (plus, a notice and a little extra work at your next service appointment)

nvarsj 8y ago

Peruse Tesla owner forums and reddit. The model 3 in particular has quality issues on brand new cars. Compare it to buying a Honda or Toyota - you're not going to have the kinds of problems described.

NickM 8y ago
Well of course you're going to see people post about issues they're having if you look on forums. Nobody goes out of their way to look on forums and make posts sharing their frustration over the lack of problems they have with their car.
- nvarsj 8y ago
  I've been on Honda and Toyota forums in the past, and there was nothing like "my car panels are misaligned fresh out of the factory".
  - NickM 8y ago
    Come on, I'm trying to be scientific about this and you're just going to swing in with a rude, ad hominem argument about "Tesla fanboys"? Claiming that Tesla having bad QC is "common knowledge" doesn't somehow insulate you and your friends from stuff like confirmation bias. And to address your other point, if you search the web for panel alignment issues on Honda or Toyota cars there seem to be plenty of those out there as well.
    - nvarsj 8y ago
      Fair enough! My main point was it's not clear that engineers at Tesla are better than those elsewhere. Even if all car companies are terrible. The other biases are my own, and are purely anecdotal based on my own experience and what others tell me. I'll leave it to other people with more time to do a scientific comparison.
sowbug 8y ago
I did what you asked. I stopped after a few minutes. http://www.odyclub.com/forums/54-2011-2017-odyssey/197033-body-panel-alignment-what-normal.html#/topics/197033 http://www.odyclub.com/forums/54-2011-2017-odyssey/197033-bo... https://www.civicx.com/threads/any-issues-so-far-fit-finish-panel-alignment-etc.883/ https://www.civicx.com/threads/any-issues-so-far-fit-finish-... https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/misaligned-rear-bumper.523509/ https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/misaligned-rear-bumper.5...