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Tesla is doing this. Comparing driver vs autopilot, all information from the fleet, is sent back to Tesla and used as learning data. Thats one of the reasons wh

Tesla is doing this. Comparing driver vs autopilot, all information from the fleet, is sent back to Tesla and used as learning data. Thats one of the reasons why all the cars have free internet access.

Someone1234 9y ago
So Tesla is using its drivers as guinea pigs in a high steaks game that could result in death? A lot of people want to treat Tesla like they're just a tech company, while ignoring that the "A/B test" conducted here could literally get people killed (and has). For example, in the most recent death some owners are claiming that an over-the-air software update caused the issue (lane centering), it made their cars drive differently. In tech regular updates are common, but normally the biggest consequence for getting one wrong is angry customers, not dead customers.
- JoeAltmaier 9y ago
  This is done everywhere. Testing tires or medicines or road surface treatments. We all risk our lives every day to some degree. Testing how best to preserve them with A/B testing is a long respected approach. And is it fair to put the blame solely on a cherrypicked action by Tesla engineering? A tragic coincidence is a compilation of events.
  - jstarfish 9y ago
    Tires, medicines and road surface treatments are all tested in controlled environments before being released to the public, not tested on the public. Conducting A/B tests with live human subjects and in a context where failures will kill people (including those not even associated with the experiment!) is the level of scientific rigor I expect from Josef Mengele.
    - Piskvorrr 9y ago
      Inb4 "don't buy a Tesla then" - this is not limited to Tesla customers, but extends to anyone in the vicinity.
    - jccooper 9y ago
      I drive on an experimental highway surface daily. It's quieter, but uses an unorthodox drainage system (that at least feels less controlled in wet conditions). Only real use statistics will say for sure if it's safety-equivalent to standard surfaces. The state DOT is testing this on me and tens of thousands of other people daily at high speed. Sure, I suspect that they did smaller scale testing before deploying it, but so has Tesla. So tell me: what's the difference?
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      - gamblor956 9y ago
        That road surface was first tested in non-public situations to verify basic safety and functionality concerns. If it's reached the public-stage of testing, that means safety concerns were addressed and they're now testing durability.
- nnf 9y ago
  I read the parent comment "Tesla is doing this" as confirming that Tesla vehicles alway have Autopilot running, even when it's not controlling the car, and comparing what Autopilot thinks the driver should do with what the driver is actually doing. If true, having that data would give Tesla an enormous amount of data on situations in which Autopilot might have failed if it was in control of the car, such as if Autopilot (when not engaged) didn't see an obstruction but the human driver swerved suddenly. This is also an advantage of Tesla installing full Autopilot hardware on every car regardless of whether the Autopilot upgrade has been purchased.

Someone1234 9y ago

So Tesla is using its drivers as guinea pigs in a high steaks game that could result in death? A lot of people want to treat Tesla like they're just a tech company, while ignoring that the "A/B test" conducted here could literally get people killed (and has). For example, in the most recent death some owners are claiming that an over-the-air software update caused the issue (lane centering), it made their cars drive differently. In tech regular updates are common, but normally the biggest consequence for getting one wrong is angry customers, not dead customers.

JoeAltmaier 9y ago
This is done everywhere. Testing tires or medicines or road surface treatments. We all risk our lives every day to some degree. Testing how best to preserve them with A/B testing is a long respected approach. And is it fair to put the blame solely on a cherrypicked action by Tesla engineering? A tragic coincidence is a compilation of events.
- jstarfish 9y ago
  Tires, medicines and road surface treatments are all tested in controlled environments before being released to the public, not tested on the public. Conducting A/B tests with live human subjects and in a context where failures will kill people (including those not even associated with the experiment!) is the level of scientific rigor I expect from Josef Mengele.
  - Piskvorrr 9y ago
    Inb4 "don't buy a Tesla then" - this is not limited to Tesla customers, but extends to anyone in the vicinity.
  - jccooper 9y ago
    I drive on an experimental highway surface daily. It's quieter, but uses an unorthodox drainage system (that at least feels less controlled in wet conditions). Only real use statistics will say for sure if it's safety-equivalent to standard surfaces. The state DOT is testing this on me and tens of thousands of other people daily at high speed. Sure, I suspect that they did smaller scale testing before deploying it, but so has Tesla. So tell me: what's the difference?
    - deleted 9y ago
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    - gamblor956 9y ago
      That road surface was first tested in non-public situations to verify basic safety and functionality concerns. If it's reached the public-stage of testing, that means safety concerns were addressed and they're now testing durability.
nnf 9y ago
I read the parent comment "Tesla is doing this" as confirming that Tesla vehicles alway have Autopilot running, even when it's not controlling the car, and comparing what Autopilot thinks the driver should do with what the driver is actually doing. If true, having that data would give Tesla an enormous amount of data on situations in which Autopilot might have failed if it was in control of the car, such as if Autopilot (when not engaged) didn't see an obstruction but the human driver swerved suddenly. This is also an advantage of Tesla installing full Autopilot hardware on every car regardless of whether the Autopilot upgrade has been purchased.