34 ms·
> They have better engineers than other car companies Huh... Quality of Teslas by most accounts is terrible. Not to mention the recent scandals over autopilot
by nvarsj 9y ago
> They have better engineers than other car companies
Huh... Quality of Teslas by most accounts is terrible. Not to mention the recent scandals over autopilot safety. Not sure where you got that idea.
- 0xFFC 9y agoI have never been in any Teslas car. But I am so curious about this: >Quality of Teslas by most accounts is terrible Can you elaborate a little bit about this?
- emptyfile 9y agohttps://www.google.com/search?q=tesla+quality+control+issues&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-ab https://www.google.com/search?q=tesla+quality+control+issues...
- alphydan 9y agoGoogling "toyota quality control issues" returns news about a recall of 1.75 million cars. So it seems the "reliable" brands have the same problems. Unless we can quantify it better, it's hard to compare.
- george_morgan 9y agoJD Power typically produce rankings of faults per 100 vehicles, which seems to be the best metric: http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/jd-power-2018-us-vehicle-dependability-study http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/jd-power-2018-us-vehic... Unfortunately Tesla aren't part of this study.
- octorian 9y agoExcept when Toyota does a recall, its just a note in the mail and a little extra work at your next service appointment. When Tesla does a recall, its a major headline news story and fodder for many forum trolls to use in their rants against the company. (plus, a notice and a little extra work at your next service appointment)
- nvarsj 9y agoPeruse Tesla owner forums and reddit. The model 3 in particular has quality issues on brand new cars. Compare it to buying a Honda or Toyota - you're not going to have the kinds of problems described.
- NickM 9y agoWell of course you're going to see people post about issues they're having if you look on forums. Nobody goes out of their way to look on forums and make posts sharing their frustration over the lack of problems they have with their car.
- nvarsj 9y agoI've been on Honda and Toyota forums in the past, and there was nothing like "my car panels are misaligned fresh out of the factory".
- NickM 9y agoCome on, I'm trying to be scientific about this and you're just going to swing in with a rude, ad hominem argument about "Tesla fanboys"? Claiming that Tesla having bad QC is "common knowledge" doesn't somehow insulate you and your friends from stuff like confirmation bias. And to address your other point, if you search the web for panel alignment issues on Honda or Toyota cars there seem to be plenty of those out there as well.
- nvarsj 9y agoFair enough! My main point was it's not clear that engineers at Tesla are better than those elsewhere. Even if all car companies are terrible. The other biases are my own, and are purely anecdotal based on my own experience and what others tell me. I'll leave it to other people with more time to do a scientific comparison.
- sowbug 9y agoI did what you asked. I stopped after a few minutes. http://www.odyclub.com/forums/54-2011-2017-odyssey/197033-body-panel-alignment-what-normal.html#/topics/197033 http://www.odyclub.com/forums/54-2011-2017-odyssey/197033-bo... https://www.civicx.com/threads/any-issues-so-far-fit-finish-panel-alignment-etc.883/ https://www.civicx.com/threads/any-issues-so-far-fit-finish-... https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/misaligned-rear-bumper.523509/ https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/misaligned-rear-bumper.5...
- metabagel 9y agoAll launches of a completely new automobile by any automaker will tend to have quality problems. It’s unclear whether Tesla’s quality issues are significantly different from those experienced by more established automakers.
- discreteevent 9y agoOk, but that doesn't really demonstrate that Tesla have better engineers.