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I think you might have missed the distinction between buying IAP on "Gems" or cosmetics and the fully fledged gambling lunacy that are loot crates. It's not ab

I think you might have missed the distinction between buying IAP on "Gems" or cosmetics and the fully fledged gambling lunacy that are loot crates. It's not about protecting daddy's credit card; gambling can be an extremely addictive and corrupting activity, one that children should not be exposed to as part of their daily gaming.

GyYZTfWBfQw 8y ago
(1) Emphasis on can be. You can't (well they can, but they shouldn't; the undesired consequences are evident) ban things on the basis of can be. (2) > fully fledged gambling lunacy > loot crates OK, way to blow it out of proportions by these unfounded assumptions. Let me tell you something: gambling isn't inherently bad. It becomes a problem if you keep repeating the behavior despite its negative consequences. For further information, please consult https://learn.problemgambling.ca/eip/assessment https://learn.problemgambling.ca/eip/assessment. (3) Are you also against the purchase of Pokemon cards as 1) you don't know anything about the cards prior to the purchase and 2) it can be an extremely addictive and corrupting activity? Oh, and speaking of what can be an extremely addictive and corrupting activity: daily gaming! It can lead to social isolation, bad grades, et cetera. How about we ban games? Let's ban games, let's ban computers, let's ban the Internet because some lousy parents are unable to raise their kid. Are you really to unable to see how ridiculous it sounds?
- mijamo 8y ago
  Most laws are actually against thing that can lead to bad situation. Speeding is not dangerous in itself, until you actually hit somebody. By your logic there should be no speed limit anywhere but only charges when you hit somebody. The whole concept of regulation would also have to be scraped. Why would we have safety norms ? Not respecting them can lead to problems but well... Maybe that is your view but I don't think it is widely shared.
  - GyYZTfWBfQw 8y ago
    Well it is known that criminals don't care about the laws, right? Imagine my shock when I hear that there are stabbings on a daily basis in a country where carrying a knife without "good reason" (that the court decides) is illegal! Makes me so confused! I thought these laws work! Regarding safety: alcohol is perfectly legal and I'm sure we can all agree on that it is extremely (more so than other substances) detrimental to health and other members of the society. On the basis of banning things for safety, it should be banned. Fun fact: it isn't. Another fun fact: prohibition wouldn't work. > Speeding is not dangerous in itself, until you actually hit somebody. By your logic there should be no speed limit anywhere but only charges when you hit somebody. Elaborate on how speed limits work or how come they are effective, if they indeed are. Maybe we can work out something. :) I would also like you to point out its relevance to the prohibition of loot crates for the "safety of our kids and vulnerable people". Regarding speed limits, I recommend https://mises.org/library/privatization-roads-and-highways https://mises.org/library/privatization-roads-and-highways. Additionally, I would rather you avoid the use of "by your logic" when in fact it does not conform to my "logic", it conforms to your perceived and false interpretation of what my logic might be, which you extended to an entirely different issue and imagine that it somehow undermines my argument. There is a difference between having speed limits enforced by X and assuming that the majority of people would respect it, and banning loot crates on the premise that it benefits the kids and vulnerable people while depriving "non-vulnerable" or "less vulnerable" adults completely on the same premise.
    - throwaway-hn123 8y ago
      Trolls be trolling.
    - christofosho 8y ago
      Slower speeds can reduce the chances of death on impact.
      - GyYZTfWBfQw 8y ago
        Slower speeds can increase the time to get from A to B therefore increasing fatigue which decreases attention which could lead to accidents, albeit they might not be completely fatal. It's a great game, isn't it?
  - GyYZTfWBfQw 8y ago
    > Most laws are actually against thing that can lead to bad situation. https://mises.org/library/legalize-drunk-driving https://mises.org/library/legalize-drunk-driving
peteretep 8y ago
> and the fully fledged gambling lunacy that are loot crates Help me understand, because I don't, with some cursory Googling. Specifically, where does the line start and end here, and where on a scale are we with: * Kinder Eggs / Happy Meal Toys * MtG / Pokemon Card boxes * Loot Boxes Are all gambling? Are all "fully fledged gambling lunacy"? Genuine question asked in good faith.
- empath75 8y ago
  At what point does a shrub become a tree?
- FireTight 8y ago
  Including something of "value" with a purchase doesn't automatically make something gambling. Under the Kinder/Happy Meal is gambling logic, buying a bag of M&Ms could also be gambling because I "value" the blue ones the most and will receive a psudorandom number of blue M&Ms in the bag. There is also a big difference in intent. Spend $5 on a Happy Meal and you are spending $4.90 for a meal and $0.10 for a piece of junk toy. And half the time you can ask for a specific toy anyway. On the other hand, spend $5 on loot boxes (or scratch tickets, lottery tickets) and there is no expectation of any other "value" than the potential value of your winnings.

GyYZTfWBfQw 8y ago

(1) Emphasis on can be. You can't (well they can, but they shouldn't; the undesired consequences are evident) ban things on the basis of can be. (2) > fully fledged gambling lunacy > loot crates OK, way to blow it out of proportions by these unfounded assumptions. Let me tell you something: gambling isn't inherently bad. It becomes a problem if you keep repeating the behavior despite its negative consequences. For further information, please consult https://learn.problemgambling.ca/eip/assessment https://learn.problemgambling.ca/eip/assessment. (3) Are you also against the purchase of Pokemon cards as 1) you don't know anything about the cards prior to the purchase and 2) it can be an extremely addictive and corrupting activity? Oh, and speaking of what can be an extremely addictive and corrupting activity: daily gaming! It can lead to social isolation, bad grades, et cetera. How about we ban games? Let's ban games, let's ban computers, let's ban the Internet because some lousy parents are unable to raise their kid. Are you really to unable to see how ridiculous it sounds?

mijamo 8y ago
Most laws are actually against thing that can lead to bad situation. Speeding is not dangerous in itself, until you actually hit somebody. By your logic there should be no speed limit anywhere but only charges when you hit somebody. The whole concept of regulation would also have to be scraped. Why would we have safety norms ? Not respecting them can lead to problems but well... Maybe that is your view but I don't think it is widely shared.
- GyYZTfWBfQw 8y ago
  Well it is known that criminals don't care about the laws, right? Imagine my shock when I hear that there are stabbings on a daily basis in a country where carrying a knife without "good reason" (that the court decides) is illegal! Makes me so confused! I thought these laws work! Regarding safety: alcohol is perfectly legal and I'm sure we can all agree on that it is extremely (more so than other substances) detrimental to health and other members of the society. On the basis of banning things for safety, it should be banned. Fun fact: it isn't. Another fun fact: prohibition wouldn't work. > Speeding is not dangerous in itself, until you actually hit somebody. By your logic there should be no speed limit anywhere but only charges when you hit somebody. Elaborate on how speed limits work or how come they are effective, if they indeed are. Maybe we can work out something. :) I would also like you to point out its relevance to the prohibition of loot crates for the "safety of our kids and vulnerable people". Regarding speed limits, I recommend https://mises.org/library/privatization-roads-and-highways https://mises.org/library/privatization-roads-and-highways. Additionally, I would rather you avoid the use of "by your logic" when in fact it does not conform to my "logic", it conforms to your perceived and false interpretation of what my logic might be, which you extended to an entirely different issue and imagine that it somehow undermines my argument. There is a difference between having speed limits enforced by X and assuming that the majority of people would respect it, and banning loot crates on the premise that it benefits the kids and vulnerable people while depriving "non-vulnerable" or "less vulnerable" adults completely on the same premise.
  - throwaway-hn123 8y ago
    Trolls be trolling.
  - christofosho 8y ago
    Slower speeds can reduce the chances of death on impact.
    - GyYZTfWBfQw 8y ago
      Slower speeds can increase the time to get from A to B therefore increasing fatigue which decreases attention which could lead to accidents, albeit they might not be completely fatal. It's a great game, isn't it?
- GyYZTfWBfQw 8y ago
  > Most laws are actually against thing that can lead to bad situation. https://mises.org/library/legalize-drunk-driving https://mises.org/library/legalize-drunk-driving

peteretep 8y ago

> and the fully fledged gambling lunacy that are loot crates Help me understand, because I don't, with some cursory Googling. Specifically, where does the line start and end here, and where on a scale are we with: * Kinder Eggs / Happy Meal Toys * MtG / Pokemon Card boxes * Loot Boxes Are all gambling? Are all "fully fledged gambling lunacy"? Genuine question asked in good faith.

empath75 8y ago
At what point does a shrub become a tree?
FireTight 8y ago
Including something of "value" with a purchase doesn't automatically make something gambling. Under the Kinder/Happy Meal is gambling logic, buying a bag of M&Ms could also be gambling because I "value" the blue ones the most and will receive a psudorandom number of blue M&Ms in the bag. There is also a big difference in intent. Spend $5 on a Happy Meal and you are spending $4.90 for a meal and $0.10 for a piece of junk toy. And half the time you can ask for a specific toy anyway. On the other hand, spend $5 on loot boxes (or scratch tickets, lottery tickets) and there is no expectation of any other "value" than the potential value of your winnings.