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It's a UNIXy system, that actually works with the hardware. Closing the lid mostly. In 20 years I haven't seen a single Win/Linux laptop that worked (on decentl

It's a UNIXy system, that actually works with the hardware. Closing the lid mostly. In 20 years I haven't seen a single Win/Linux laptop that worked (on decently specced HW). Oh sure, tons of "I have a perfectly working linux on x" but drilling down it always boils down to fiddling, updating, manually correcting some value somewhere, tweaking.. etc. I switched to a mac some 8 years ago on the desktop and 6 years ago as my daily driver laptop. I would love to break out of the apple ecosystem for something more free but I just have not been convinced it exists yet. With all the complaints about macos, rightfully so, quality seems to be degrading somehwat, the HW/SW combination is still unbeaten in my book. I run Fusion on it, with a Windows Server VM and Linux VM w shared homedir so I can run whatever tools best fit for the job. Only real gripe is memory limit of 16GB. Oh and the touchbar. Fuck the touchbar. Could have been nice as an addition above the Fn key row. Now let's hope my keyboard holds out ;)

SuperMechaCow 9y ago
I have a Dell Inspiron 17r 7720 and a Macbook made in the same year. Spec for spec they are very comparable machines, but if I had to choose I would pick the Dell every time. I've used Ubuntu on it for years with zero "fiddling" required. Windows 10 is on a physical SSD, but with one command it's configured to run on a VM in Ubuntu. Many people have gotten Mac OS to run natively on the Dell, but I decided to spend hundreds on a Macbook instead because to the enormous amount of "fiddling" it would have taken. TL;DR: I've had the opposite experience as you.
- mvdwoord 9y ago
  Sounds good, a quick scan of the reviews show lots of praise. Wondering about battery life though, and I would still need to see it for myself before I'm convinced. I am optimistic though, seriously think that when my current macbook is up for replacement there will be a handful of capable machines with proper (HW) linux support. For me however, lacking that positive first hand experience is what makes me keep ordering macs.. for now.
shaklee3 9y ago
I have a yoga 900 and Ubuntu works perfectly out of the box. I didn't check to make sure it would work before buying it, but have been dual-booting almost since day one.
magduf 9y ago
>Oh sure, tons of "I have a perfectly working linux on x" but drilling down it always boils down to fiddling, updating, manually correcting some value somewhere, tweaking.. etc. I've had great experiences running Ubuntu derivatives on Dell Latitude E-series, as long as they don't have Nvidia graphics. I'm sure plenty of Thinkpad owners will tell you the same.
madmulita 9y ago
Never a problem with any of the Thinkpads I've had, mostly Debian. With the macs? Dead batteries because of bad firmware, dead chargers because of horrible cables, 19hs upgrading the OS (each try), finally, dead motherboard. Not falling for it again.
mcv 9y ago
> It's a UNIXy system, that actually works with the hardware. It is, or used to be. I haven't been very happy about Apple's direction in recent years, and when my old 2011 Macbook Pro dies, I'm not sure what I'm going to replace it with. You'd think there'd be a big market for an "it just works" Linux-based laptop.

SuperMechaCow 9y ago

I have a Dell Inspiron 17r 7720 and a Macbook made in the same year. Spec for spec they are very comparable machines, but if I had to choose I would pick the Dell every time. I've used Ubuntu on it for years with zero "fiddling" required. Windows 10 is on a physical SSD, but with one command it's configured to run on a VM in Ubuntu. Many people have gotten Mac OS to run natively on the Dell, but I decided to spend hundreds on a Macbook instead because to the enormous amount of "fiddling" it would have taken. TL;DR: I've had the opposite experience as you.

mvdwoord 9y ago
Sounds good, a quick scan of the reviews show lots of praise. Wondering about battery life though, and I would still need to see it for myself before I'm convinced. I am optimistic though, seriously think that when my current macbook is up for replacement there will be a handful of capable machines with proper (HW) linux support. For me however, lacking that positive first hand experience is what makes me keep ordering macs.. for now.

shaklee3 9y ago

I have a yoga 900 and Ubuntu works perfectly out of the box. I didn't check to make sure it would work before buying it, but have been dual-booting almost since day one.

magduf 9y ago

>Oh sure, tons of "I have a perfectly working linux on x" but drilling down it always boils down to fiddling, updating, manually correcting some value somewhere, tweaking.. etc. I've had great experiences running Ubuntu derivatives on Dell Latitude E-series, as long as they don't have Nvidia graphics. I'm sure plenty of Thinkpad owners will tell you the same.

madmulita 9y ago

Never a problem with any of the Thinkpads I've had, mostly Debian. With the macs? Dead batteries because of bad firmware, dead chargers because of horrible cables, 19hs upgrading the OS (each try), finally, dead motherboard. Not falling for it again.

mcv 9y ago

> It's a UNIXy system, that actually works with the hardware. It is, or used to be. I haven't been very happy about Apple's direction in recent years, and when my old 2011 Macbook Pro dies, I'm not sure what I'm going to replace it with. You'd think there'd be a big market for an "it just works" Linux-based laptop.