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Who really wants to fully customise their system? I'm not interested in spending time and effort customising my OS, I'd rather use that time to do work or use m

by welly 8y ago

Who really wants to fully customise their system? I'm not interested in spending time and effort customising my OS, I'd rather use that time to do work or use my laptop for entertainment. I'd rather it works proficiently out of the box and I mostly get that from osx/macos, with a few minor customisations I've built up over time. I'm sure being able to fully customise your system is appealing to some, the rest of us just want to get stuff done. Ps. Web developer since 1994.

peteretep 8y ago
> Who really wants to fully customise their system? Quite. I want audio and auto-suspend and battery management to just work, to be able to buy peripheries that I know will work. Also, without wanting to hit the snark too much: >> If you're a web developer and are somewhat competent, you ... can actually use the same daemons as the production system will be using. When you become _very_ competent, you'll be running all of those in VMs or Docker or whatever.
- prepend 8y ago
  Customizing the stuff you said is largely a matter of preference. I rarely want to do the stuff you do, and that’s ok. Neither of us is wrong. Unless we try to say the other should switch OSes. I just want a Unix-based laptop and I treat apple like a good community-run skin that has really good testing with a small set of hardware. That works for me. In the rare case that I want to customize something or an developing for someone who wants customization, I’ll virtualization. I’ve been lucky enough (or maybe unfortunate since it’s fun) to not do anything related to hardware for a decade or so.
- y4mi 8y ago
  > When you become _very_ competent, you'll be running all of those in VMs or Docker or whatever. It seems i've offended you in some way. I did not mean to imply that all competent web developers should be using ubuntu or fedora. You can be a very efficient and great programmer without ever using any linux distribution in your life. After all, StackOverflow seems to be quite good at what it does and its run on windows iirc. Its just that you'll occasionally run into problems. If you're inexperienced with linux distributions you'll have to google their solution, making even a trivial problem such as '$PROGRAM not found' a very painful experience. And you won't really get to utilize the usability improvements from i3wm for example. so to summarize: you don't need to use linux to be a competent developer. You won't be able to really use linux unless you're already an experienced and competent developer which is open to find new workflows. You could install it and use it, sure, but you'D become another example of why "linux desktop doesn't work"

by welly 8y ago

peteretep 8y ago

> Who really wants to fully customise their system? Quite. I want audio and auto-suspend and battery management to just work, to be able to buy peripheries that I know will work. Also, without wanting to hit the snark too much: >> If you're a web developer and are somewhat competent, you ... can actually use the same daemons as the production system will be using. When you become _very_ competent, you'll be running all of those in VMs or Docker or whatever.

prepend 8y ago
Customizing the stuff you said is largely a matter of preference. I rarely want to do the stuff you do, and that’s ok. Neither of us is wrong. Unless we try to say the other should switch OSes. I just want a Unix-based laptop and I treat apple like a good community-run skin that has really good testing with a small set of hardware. That works for me. In the rare case that I want to customize something or an developing for someone who wants customization, I’ll virtualization. I’ve been lucky enough (or maybe unfortunate since it’s fun) to not do anything related to hardware for a decade or so.
y4mi 8y ago
> When you become _very_ competent, you'll be running all of those in VMs or Docker or whatever. It seems i've offended you in some way. I did not mean to imply that all competent web developers should be using ubuntu or fedora. You can be a very efficient and great programmer without ever using any linux distribution in your life. After all, StackOverflow seems to be quite good at what it does and its run on windows iirc. Its just that you'll occasionally run into problems. If you're inexperienced with linux distributions you'll have to google their solution, making even a trivial problem such as '$PROGRAM not found' a very painful experience. And you won't really get to utilize the usability improvements from i3wm for example. so to summarize: you don't need to use linux to be a competent developer. You won't be able to really use linux unless you're already an experienced and competent developer which is open to find new workflows. You could install it and use it, sure, but you'D become another example of why "linux desktop doesn't work"