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Visit London. Cycling is now the majority mode of transport in the City of London rush hour. That’s due to car reduction measures (the Congestion Charge) and ne

Visit London. Cycling is now the majority mode of transport in the City of London rush hour. That’s due to car reduction measures (the Congestion Charge) and new infrastructure both large (Cycle Superhighways) and small (filtered permeability). Your assertion that “people don’t want to cycle to work” is demonstrably false. (Source: https://www.bikebiz.com/news/traffic-in-the-city-2018 https://www.bikebiz.com/news/traffic-in-the-city-2018 )

AmericanChopper 9y ago
In London, cyclists make up less than 5% of commuters. Hardly a vision of success.
- Doctor_Fegg 9y ago
  Define "London". In inner/central London, where cycling infrastructure is being built and where the Congestion Charge is in place, the cycle commute share is significantly higher than 5%. (Back in 2011, for example, it was 15.4% in Hackney: it will be bigger than that now.) In the outer suburbs, where there's no infrastructure and no Congestion Charge, it isn't above 5%. That should tell you something. Meanwhile, you talk sneeringly about "invest[ing] billions into poorly designed public transport". Public transport is, of course, something London does very well. Car commuting across the whole of London, inner and outer, is around 25%. Public transport commuting is around 50%. (Source: LTDS. This covers London residents only, so is probably an underestimate given the vast numbers of people from outside London who commute into the city by rail.)
  - AmericanChopper 9y ago
    You're right about that. London does public transport much better than most other cities. It's also been measurably more successful than many other cities in driving cycling adoption. But if your argument in support of that (overall relatively minor) success involves statements such as "define London", and cherry picking particular suburbs, then I think that speaks to the strength of it.
    - desas 9y ago
      Many suburbs (and inner city London local authorities) have stymied Transport for London efforts to introduce cycle infrastructure. Hardly fair to sneer at cherry picking
- dasil003 9y ago
  Try comparing the numbers of bicycle commuters versus automobile commuters and doing the same for any American city and prepare for your mind to be blown.
cturner 9y ago
The source is about road use, which is more specific than your claim. The top modes of transport are walking, the underground, long-haul rail infrastructure. I think the source goes against both your claim and its own headline. Diagram 3.11 shows cycling to be a small part of the makeup.
- Doctor_Fegg 9y ago
  Yes, given the context that AmericanChopper was principally talking about roads (and advocating that cars should be prioritised). If you include non-carriageway provision then the Tube, bus and walking are and have long been dominant in London. 3.11 appears to cover the whole day rather than just the rush hour, and again, the context of AmericanChopper's comments was "commuters". 3.5 in the original report (search for 'Traffic in the City 2018') gives more context as to how modal share varies throughout the day.
closeparen 9y ago
>That’s due to car reduction measures Sounds like people didn't want to cycle to work, but it was the next best thing after the car reduction measures.

AmericanChopper 9y ago

In London, cyclists make up less than 5% of commuters. Hardly a vision of success.

Doctor_Fegg 9y ago
Define "London". In inner/central London, where cycling infrastructure is being built and where the Congestion Charge is in place, the cycle commute share is significantly higher than 5%. (Back in 2011, for example, it was 15.4% in Hackney: it will be bigger than that now.) In the outer suburbs, where there's no infrastructure and no Congestion Charge, it isn't above 5%. That should tell you something. Meanwhile, you talk sneeringly about "invest[ing] billions into poorly designed public transport". Public transport is, of course, something London does very well. Car commuting across the whole of London, inner and outer, is around 25%. Public transport commuting is around 50%. (Source: LTDS. This covers London residents only, so is probably an underestimate given the vast numbers of people from outside London who commute into the city by rail.)
- AmericanChopper 9y ago
  You're right about that. London does public transport much better than most other cities. It's also been measurably more successful than many other cities in driving cycling adoption. But if your argument in support of that (overall relatively minor) success involves statements such as "define London", and cherry picking particular suburbs, then I think that speaks to the strength of it.
  - desas 9y ago
    Many suburbs (and inner city London local authorities) have stymied Transport for London efforts to introduce cycle infrastructure. Hardly fair to sneer at cherry picking
dasil003 9y ago
Try comparing the numbers of bicycle commuters versus automobile commuters and doing the same for any American city and prepare for your mind to be blown.

cturner 9y ago

The source is about road use, which is more specific than your claim. The top modes of transport are walking, the underground, long-haul rail infrastructure. I think the source goes against both your claim and its own headline. Diagram 3.11 shows cycling to be a small part of the makeup.

Doctor_Fegg 9y ago
Yes, given the context that AmericanChopper was principally talking about roads (and advocating that cars should be prioritised). If you include non-carriageway provision then the Tube, bus and walking are and have long been dominant in London. 3.11 appears to cover the whole day rather than just the rush hour, and again, the context of AmericanChopper's comments was "commuters". 3.5 in the original report (search for 'Traffic in the City 2018') gives more context as to how modal share varies throughout the day.

closeparen 9y ago

>That’s due to car reduction measures Sounds like people didn't want to cycle to work, but it was the next best thing after the car reduction measures.